"Inquire Within" about Steiner

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:38 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - Intro

In January I wrote about the occult authorship of Christina Stoddard, alias "Inquire Within." in an exchange with Diana:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_tomorrow/message/1391

Stoddard was ultra-right-wing and extremely anti-Semitic, but her approach to Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy fits right into PLANS and the WC list. Stoddard's style has an eerie resemblance to that of Sharon. The misrepresentation of Steiner's ideas follows the classic approach of presenting quotes and putting them in a context that makes them seem the opposite of what they are. When I mention Sharon it's because Stoddard digs deeply into speculations about dark and sinister Masters stealing away the personalities of the members and initiates and making them into something anti-Christian and robotic, slaves to the Dark Lords. It is comparable to the alarm against "Harry Potter" and "Lord of the Rings" and "Star Wars" we hear from certain pastors today, who claim that such literature leads to suicide and other evils among children and young people because it's occult and there are demons behind it.

Stoddard, however, blames it all on the Jewish conspiracy and the Kabbalah and the slogans of the French Revolution. If you do a search on her name, the first sites that pop up are neo-Nazi sites and white supremacist sites. Stoddard is one of their darlings.

Christina Stoddard wrote two books in the 1930's under the pseudonym "Inquire Within": "Light-Bearers of Darkness" (1932) and "The Trail of the Serpent" (1936). This 4 part post includes the entire chapter about Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy.

Here are the chapters from "The Trail of the Serpent":

Foreword

Chapter I - Sabeism. Eleusis and Mithras

Chapter II - Cabalists, Gnostics, and Secret Syrian Sects

Chapter III - Rosicrucians and Illuminés

Chapter IV - Weishaupt's Illuminati and the French Revolution

Chapter V - Carbonari, Mazzini, l'Alliance-israélite-universelle and Karl Marx

Chapter VI - The Jewish Question

Chapter VII - Continental Freemasonry

Chapter VIII - Theosophy and India. Co-masonry

Chapter IX - Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy

Chapter X - Fraternity of Inner Light and Yoga

Chapter XI - Aleister Crowley and the Golden Dawn

Chapter XII - American Groups

Chapter XIII - Secret Societies in America, Tibet, and China

Chapter XIV - The Synarchy of Agarttha

Index

The following three posts cover most of Chapter IX - up until Max Heindel and Panacea Society. There is also a bit about the CC Church that I may add on a later date.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:40 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 1

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentiles-900quotes.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/1000quote.html

#148 ANTI-SEMITICA
This is a quote from "Inquire Within" [pseud.]. The Trail of the Serpent, London, Boswell Publishing Co., 1936, 325 pp.

A much quoted source of "facts" touching upon the Illuminati, occult sciences, secret societies, gnosticism, Judaeo-Masonry, black magic, cabalism, theosophy and Rosicrucianism. See pp. 114-36 for a discussion of the "Jewish Question." Regarding the author's identity, see [following paragraph]: Authorship attributed to Miss C.M. Stoddart. Cf James webb, The Occult Establishment (La Salle, Ill., Open Court, 1976), pp.219-20 Review from: "Anti-Semitic Propaganda - An Annotated Bibliography and Research Guide", Robert Singerman, Garland Publishing, New York, 1982, ISBN 0-8240-9270-8 Contributed by David S. Maddison (maddison@connexus.net.au)

#149 ANTI-SEMITICA
This is a quote from "Inquire Within" [pseud.]. The Trail of the Serpent, London, Boswell Publishing Co., 1936, 325 pp.

A much quoted source of "facts" touching upon the Illuminati, occult sciences, secret societies, gnosticism, Judaeo-Masonry, black magic, cabalism, theosophy and Rosicrucianism. See pp. 114-36 for a discussion of the "Jewish Question." Regarding the author's identity, see [following paragraph]:

Authorship attributed to Miss C.M. Stoddart. Cf James webb, The Occult Establishment (La Salle, Ill., Open Court, 1976), pp.219-20

Review from: "Anti-Semitic Propaganda - An Annotated Bibliography and Research Guide", Robert Singerman, Garland Publishing, New York, 1982, ISBN 0-8240-9270-8 Contributed by David S. Maddison (maddison@connexus.net.au)

 

Trail of the Serpent
by Inquire Within
[Christina Stoddard].

Chapter IX
Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy

In a leading article, 14 September, 1922, "The Patriot" warns its readers against "The Subterranean War" and writes:

"For those who desire to learn we publish to-day the first of a series of articles by 'G.G.' (or 'Dargon'), a writer who has made a study of secret societies. The purpose of 'The Anatomy of Revolution' is not to take the reader deeply into any part of the subject, but to give a general and historical view of that complex of subversive organization which is working for the destruction of Christianity, of Civilization, and of the British Empire. The writer, who is a true Briton and a good patriot, has one purpose only - to warn the British public of the unsuspected danger which, as he believes and we believe also, imminently threatens it."

To quote G.G.:

"Here we must note that there has always been among the Arcane societies a dual movement - on the one hand mystical, on the other hand political. Such esoteric bodies as the Fraternity of the Rosy-Cross, the Martinists, the Swedenborgians, and Theosophists have consisted no doubt largely of harmless enthusiasts to whom mysticism and magic appealed. But they have also been used, as the cover for political intrigue, and as a net wherein to catch, test, and select persons who could be used for subversive ends. For it is one of the methods of the revolutionary directorate to use, wherever possible, harmless bodies as their cloak, and innocent people as their unconscious agents....

"I may refer briefly to the existence of an offshoot of the Theosophical Society, known as the Anthroposophical Society. This was formed as the result of a chism in the ranks of the Theosophists, by a man of Jewish birth who was connected with one of the modern branches of the Carbonari. Not only so, but in association with another Theosophist he is engaged in organising certain commercial undertakings not unconnected with Communist propaganda; almost precisely in the manner in which 'Count St. Germain' organised his dyeworks and other commercial ventures with a like purpose. And this queer business group has its connections with the Irish Republican movement... and also with another mysterious group which was founded by Jewish 'intellectuals' in France about four years ago (about 1918), and which includes in its membership many well-known politicians, scientists, university professors, and literary men in France, Germany, and England, It is a secret society... although nominally a 'Right Wing' society, it is in direct touch with members of the Soviet Government Russia..."

We have from time to time written of Dr. Rudolf Steiner's gnostic teachings and political activities. We now give a short summary of Edouard Schuré's introduction to his translation of Steiner's book Le Mystère Crétien et les Mystères Antiques, 1908. Schuré considered Steiner's teaching most luminous - it was so-called Christian Illuminism - but much later left him because of his political activities, of which he did not approve. Later again, he returned to the fold. Our interest in this sketch of Steiner's life is that it shows how, from early years, he was watched, astrally prepared, and directed by some mysterious Master and initiator whose name and mission is not revealed.

According to Schuré, who was a Jew, Steiner was born in Upper Austria in 1861, and his youth was spent in the confines of Styria, the Carpathians, and Hungary. At the age of fifteen, he made the acquaintance of a learned botanist who "had the gift of seeing the vital principle of the plants, their etheric bodies, and what occultists call the elementals of the vegetable world." His calm, coldly scientific conversation only further excited the curiosity of the young man. "Steiner knew later that this strange man was an envoy from the Master, whom he did not yet know, but who was to become his real initiator, and who already supervised him from afar." From his talks with the botanist he was soon convinced that the basis of the "Great Universal" was the double current which constitutes the movement of the world - the flux and reflux of the universal life-force, this occult and astral current which is the great propeller of life, with its hierarchy of powers. From the age of eighteen Steiner felt the double current: "He had from that time the irrefutable sensation of occult powers who acted behind and through him to direct him. He listened to this force and followed its warnings, because he felt himself profoundly in accord with it."

When nineteen he met his Master, for so long sensed, who was one of those powerful men who live unknown to the world in order to accomplish a mission; ostensibly they do not act upon human events. Incognito is the condition of their strength, making their action only more efficacious, "For they arouse, prepare, and direct those who act in the public eye." And Steiner's mission, according to himself, was: "To link together Science and Religion. Bring God into Science, and Nature into Religion, and so fecundate anew Art and Life." His Master was eminently a spiritual male as opposed to Steiner's more feminine sensibilities; he was a formidable dominator, for whom individuals scarcely existed. He spared neither himself nor others, his will was like a bullet from a gun which went straight to its aim, and swept all from its path.

Such was the powerful mind which dominated and used Steiner as a mere automaton, pulling the strings as his terrible ambitions required. For Steiner 1881 to 1891 was a period of study and preparation at Vienna; from 1891 to 1901 a time of struggle and combat at Weimar; from 1901 to 1907 a time of action and organisation at Berlin. About 1890 Steiner said: "The occult powers who were directing me obliged me imperceptibly to penetrate into the then current ideas of spiritualists." He came in touch with Nietzsche and Haeckel, who oriented him intellectually. As Schuré said: "He had the presentiment that in the incontestable discoveries of the naturalist he would find the surest basis of evolutionary spiritualism and rational Theosophy." Steiner, therefore, entered into contemporary materialism, and armed himself for his mission; in 1902 he found his battle-ground and support in the Theosophical Society, and became Secretaty-General of the German section. In 1913 he left Mrs. Besant because of the Alcyone case, and founded the Anthroposophical Society.

As Schuré wrote:

"By his first Master and by the Fraternity to which he was associated, Steiner belonged to another school of occultism, that is, to Western esoteric Christianity and more especially Rosicrucian initiation... The tradition of esoteric Christianity, properly speaking, is directly and uninterruptedly attached to the famous and mysterious Manes, founder of Manichæism, who lived in Persia in the fourth century."

Brought up by Magi, Manes became Christian (Gnostic); his doctrine was: (1) the Master Jesus, prophet of Nazareth, was only the organ and interpreter of the Christ, who was the "arcanum of the planetary Word" - Solar manifestation; (2) he taught reincarnation and the numerous ascending (planetary) existences of the human soul; (3) what was called "evil" was only a necessary ingredient in the general economy of the world, a stimulant, a ferment of universal evolution!

Manes' disciples spread to Palestine, Greece, italy, Gaul, Scythia, the Danube, and Africa. His doctrine was for centuries propagated by oral tradition, often under different names, Schuré writes, such as the Cathari, Albigenses, the Templars, and the Brothers of Saint John of Jerusalem. In the fifteenth century esoteric Christianity, inspired by the same tradition, became more laic and scientific under the influence of the Cabala and Alchemy, and it was about then that Christian Rosenkreutz founded the Order of the Rose-Croix. Rudonf Steiner as a Rose-Croix practised and taught Western occultism as opposed to Eastern. He did not believe in the annihilation of the body by asceticism - it must be trained and become like a magnet attracting and making use of the required forces.

Such is the account of Steiner, his Master and work as given by Eduard Schuré. The result of Yoga, meditation and processes for awakening the kundalini, whether Western or Eastern, is the same in all groups working under unknown Masters; it means that gradually the Master takes possession of the adept's mind and impresses his own will upon it, so that an advanced initiate, such as Steiner, would work under the impetus of the hidden Master and for his ends alone. As the so-called Tibetan Master of Mrs. Alice Bailey, thosophist and occultist, New York, explains, contact with the Master is recognised by peculiar vibrations : (1) at the top of the spine; (2) in the forehead (pineal gland, where the adept's kundalini unites with the Master's forces from without, it is the seat of controlled knowledge); (3) at the top of the head (pituitary body). He continues: "In time the student comes to recognise the vibration, and to associate it with some particular 'Great One,' for each Master has his own vibration which impresses itself upon his pupils in a specific manner." The forces are "these magnetic currents of the universe, that vital fluid, those electric rays, the latent heat in all bodies." Cold and calculating, "a Master is only interested in a man from the point of view of his usefulness in the group-soul and his capacity to help." The individual is as nothing to him; he is only a part in this world revolutionary machine, to be thrown aside when no longer an asset in their game!

(to be continued....)

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:41 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 2

(continued)

Dr. Rudolf Steiner died at Dornach, Switzerland, 30 March, 1925, slowly but surely burnt out by the terrific forces working through him, and at his funeral Albert Steffen, poet and president of the Executive Committee of the Anthroposophical Society, delivered an address. Speaking of Steiner's "Spiritual Science" or Christian Illuminism, he said: "Rudolf Steiner opened out to us the prospect of a religious life beyond all sects." Fifty theologians went to him seeking a way to unite their work once more with the "eternal life of the spirit," and Steffen continued: "Steiner was able to transmit to them the holy ceremony which the priests of the Christengemeinschaft are now enacting for himself." We understand this Christengemeinschaft is being revived, run by Heidenreyd with about 400 members in this country. What is this "Spiritual Science"? According to Steiner, "Anthroposophy is a path of knowledge to guide the Spiritual in the human being to the Spiritual in the Universe." Wholly cosmic and astral!

In his book translated by Schuré, Le Mystère Crétien et les Mystères Antiques, Steiner says:

"In the early days of Christianity there sprang up in the old Pagan world, systems of the universe which seemed to be a prolongation of the philosophy of Plato, but which could be understood also as a spiritualisation of the wisdom of the Mysteries. All these systems had their starting-point in Philo, the Jewish philosopher of Alexandra, who said: 'It is necessary for the soul to come out of the ordinary "I." Then it enters into a state of spiritual wcstasy, of illumination, when it ceases to know, to think, and to recognise in the ordinary sense of the words. For it has identified itself with the divine, they have become one...' "

He is deified and has lost his own personality! And as Steiner says:

"God (the Creative Principle) is bewitched in the world, and it is his own force that is needed to find Him. This force (sex-force) must be awakened within you. Such were the teachings which the Myste received before initiation. And now began the great drama of the world, of which he made a living integral part. The aim of the drama was nothing less than the freeing of the hidden God; where is that God? God is not but Nature is. It is in Nature that he must be found. For he is enshrouded in her as in an enchanted tomb."

Here we have the pantheistic God Pan, who is merely the creative principle in all nature, including man - the life force. As Clemens of Alexandria said in speaking of the Greater Mysteries: "Here ends all teachings, one sees Nature and things."

Further, Steiner explains: "The Cross of Golgotha is the whole cult of the Ancient Mysteries gathered into one fact.... Christianity as a mystical fact is a degree of evolution in the Wisdom of the Mysteries." This again is Manichæism, which looks upon the Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension of Christ as mystical experiences. A lecture given by Steiner at Oxford in 1922, "The Mystery of Golgotha," throws further light upon this Spiritual Science. Now, Steiner was also a Rosicrucian, and in explaining this "Mystery of Golgotha" he based his ideas upon certain words said to have been written in the Book T., which, according to the Rosicrucian mystical legend, was found on the breast of Christian Rosenkreutz at the opening of his tomb in the fifteenth century.

These words were: Ex Deo Nascimur; In Christo (or Jehesuah) morimur; Per Spiritum Sanctum reviviscimus - From God are we born; in Christ or Jesus do we die; through the Holy Spirit we rise again. That is through the Gnostic Trinity - Father, creator; Son or Solar Christ, the Logos or serpent, the vivifying force; the Holy Spirit, the Great Mother which reproduces all things. The whole is the eternal creation, destruction, and regeneration, as applied to Illuminism.

In the R.R. et A.C., which, under the late Dr. Felkin, was closely related to Steiner and practised some of his processes and Eurhythmy for awakening the kundalini, the 5 = 6 ritual dramatically depicts the meaning of these words: the aspirant is led to the tomb wherein lay the Chief Adept in full regalia, representing Christian Rosenkreutz; the tomb is opened and the aspirant demands: "Out of the Darkness let the Light arise!" From within the tomb a voice is heard: "Buried with that Light in a mystical death, rising again in a mystical resurrection, cleansed and purified through Him our Master, O brother of the Rose and Cross!.... Seek thou the Stone of the Wise!..." The Stone is the Quintessence or PEntagram - Illuminism.

As illustrated on the lid of the tomb, these mystical experiences represent the adept as a Christ crucified on the Cross of Light or Illuminism; the Great Dragon Leviathan - the kundalini - rises up to Daath, and from above descends the Lightening-Flash attracted by and uttering with the serpent within, linking the adept with the universal life-force without. He becomes the Jehesuah-Yod, He Shin, Vau, He - the Pentagram or deified man, losing his Selfhood. It is the Rosicrucian Chymical Wedding. It is this described by the Jewish writer Kadmi Cohen in Nomades:

"Abyss and pinnacle. The dizzy height of the one set off by the unfathomable depth of the other. Who will ever know the unspeakable sufferings of the ascension, the moral terrors of the fall? But also the ineffable joy, superhuman, divine, to be upon the peak which overhangs the universe, beyond good and evil, above pure practical reason, to be Man, to be Self, who equals himself to God, who wrestles with Him, who absorbs Him. It is Israel, it is Ishmael who supplies these men to the world!"

His God is the God Pam, he is intoxicated by the astral Light!

Schuré explains that Christian Rosenkreutz left "three spiritual truths" to his disciples, and that these truths were only scientifically proved four centuries later, namely: (1) the material unity of the universe - by spectrum analysis; (2) organic evolution - by transformation of species according to Darwin and Haeckel; (3) states of human consciousness different from the ordinary state - by hypnotism and suggestion. As the power used by Rosicrucians was said to be the "magnetic fluid" in man and in the universe, set in motion by concentrated thought and will-power, one can easily believe that such initiations, under unknown Masters, might mean hypnotism and suggestion. The spectrum is the resolution of light through the prism, and as the Rosicrucian ritual says: "Colours are forces and the signature of forces and Child of the children of the forces art thou." The Rosicrucians work with colours and geometrical figures, representing the forces of the planets, the signs of the Zodiac, the elements, etc., and the colours of the planets are the spectrum of the Rosicrucian "Divine White Light," that magnetic fluid which slays and makes alive. Steiner talks much of planetary hierarchies, Archangels, Angels, etc., but there is reason to believe that they can one and all be reduced to nature's universal forces, for the original 0=0 ritual of the Stella Matutina says: "For by names and images are all powers awakened and reawakened."

Therefore, is not Steiner's "Spiritual Science" merely the Hermetic fixation of the astral light in a material body - Illuminism - linking the adept, as a tool, to some "White Occultists" supposedly working for the weal, or is it not rather the woe of humanity?

As expressing Steiner's Communistic, political dreams and schemes, we have his "Threefold State." As a symbolic basis for this "Threefold State" Steiner takes the human organism: (1) the system of the nerves and senses - the head system. (2) the system of breathing and the circulation of the blood - the rhythmic system. (3) the organs and functions of matter changes - the metabolic process. According to Steiner, these systems, comparatively speaking, function separately: "There is no such thing as absolute centralisation in the human organism." "In order to thrive, the social organism, like the natural one, requires to be threefold." (1) Economic life - relatively as independent as the nervous and sensory system within the human body. "Its concern is with everything in the nature of production, circulation, and consumption of commodities." (2) Public rights, political life - the State; "applied to a community possessing common rights." (3) Mental and spiritual life; "everything that rests on the natural endowment of each single human being... spiritual and physical." Alongside the political sphere and the economic sphere in a healthy society there must be the spiritual sphere, functioning independently on its own footing" - that is, religion, teaching, art, and intellectual life, and even technical and organising capacities as applied to the State or industrial economy.

"It is the threefold line of evolution towards which modern humanity is striving... At the end of the eighteenth century, under different circumstances from which we are living to-day, there went up a cry from the hidden depths of modern nature for a re-formation of human social relations (stirred up by the Illuminati and Grand Orient Lodges). Through all the scheme of the new order ran like a motto the three words: 'Fraternity, Equality, Liberty.' "

Admitting that equality and liberty are contradictory, Steiner is in sympathy with all three, and applies them to his threefold State. Economic life in the form of Associations brotherhood, the State under equality, and the spiritual field under liberty or freedom, and he says:

"No social State, constructed on an abstract centralised scheme, can carry freedom, equality, and brotherhood pell mell into practice. But each of the three branches of the body social can derive its strength from one of these (contradictory) ideal impulses; and then all three branches will work fruitfully in conjunction."

Such is Steiner's, as it has been called, "headless" Threefold State, and this he would further extend, in the same headless way, to a Threefold World State.

"Such a close interweaving of interests will grow up, as will make territorial frontiers seem negligible in the life of mankind. ... The forces to which nationalities owe their growth require for their development free mutual interaction untrammelled by any ties that grow up between respective bodies of State and the Economic Associations. And the way of achieving this is for the various national communities to develop the threefold order within their own social structures; and then their three branches can each expand its own relation with the corresponding branches of the other communities. In this way, peoples, States, economic bodies, become grouped together in formations that are very various in shape and character; and every part of mankind becomes so linked with the other parts that each is conscious of the life of the other pulsing through its own daily interests. A league of nations is the outcome arising out of root impulses that correspond to actual realities. there will be no need to 'institute' one built up solely on legal theories of right."

Finally, he says: "There must be but one human race working at one common task, willing to read the signs of the times and to act in accordance with them." The whole is just another form of Mazzini's "Associate, associate!" or Mrs. Alice Bailey's "World State" by means of "unification" under the control of some mysterious "Supermen."

This dream of a World State is far from being new. We know that Weishaupt's initiates had to take an oath swearing to help to their utmost the foundation of a Universal Republic; and at the end of the eighteenth century the Illuminatus Anacharsis Clootz's plan was: "All peoples forming only one nation, all the trades forming only one trade, all interests forming only one interest." Steiner was an Illuminatus said to have been linked to those who, towards the end of the nineteenth century, revived Weishaupt's Illuminism. He was, therefore, apparently, carrying on the tradition in his Threefold World State.

Moreover, with regard to intellectual interconnections, necessary for this World State, we might quote the report 1928-29, of the "Society for Cultural Relations Between the Peoples of the British Commonwealth and the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics," in which it was noted that the Anthroposophical Society (Steiner's) was one of the organisations in contact with it. A British Government Blue Book thus describes this S.C.R.: "The Communist International favours it as a fertile ground for Communist propaganda of the intellectual variety." And there is little doubt that to-day every nation is conscious of the Soviet life "pulsing through its own daily interests," largely detrimental and disintegrating economically, politically, and spiritually.

To take another phase of Anthroposophical teaching and practical application of its beliefs. In December 1932, Frau Lilly Kolisko, a leading member of the Anthroposophical Society in Stuttgart, came to London to lecture to an agricultural group of the Society which proposed to revive ancient astronomical or perhaps astrological customs, common among primitive people, adding to them, apparently, the science of Anthroposophy! Her theories were that plants and vegetables sown at the correct moon-phase grow much faster and more luxuriantly than when the moon-phases are ignored. That the earth breathes rhythmically, and that sowing, fertilising, and harvesting of crops can be worked into this rhythm. Further, that plants requiring much moisture grow a great deal better when planted two days before full moon, and those requiring little moisture during a waning moon.

Pearce, in his Text-book of Astrology, tells us that more rain usually falls during the increase than during the decrease of the moon, as was proved by many experiments throughout the years 1868 to 1881. Again, the ancients have said that oaks cut down in springtime, when the sap is rising, soon rot. All timber trees should be felled during the winter solstice, and the last days of the moon, when the timber would last in perpetuity. Practically this is affirmed by R. Reynell Bellamy, in his book The Real South Seas. He says of the Kanakas of New Caledonia that they maintain that the flow of the sap is upwards with the waxing moon and downwards when it wanes. They plant maize, beans, etc., before the full moon, and the root crops after. Timber for building purposes they fell during the last phase of lunation, when the sap is at its lowest.

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:42 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3

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As for the rhythmic breathing of the earth, they no doubt refer to the Great Breath or Swara of the Universe, the life-force - Pingala, the positive or sun breath; Ida, the negative or moon breath; and the Sushumna, the central or uniting fire. There are also the five Tatwas of refined matter - ether, air (gaseous), fire (igneous), water (liquid), earth (solid). The whole process of creation on all planes of life is said to be performed by these Tatwas in their aspects of positive and negative. All these phases follow and merge into each other in regular and continuous procession. They are the basis of all magic, black or white. They are Nature's finer forces, but not spiritual or divine, except as instruments, the creative principle in all nature.

Again, to repeat what we have previously said, speaking of astrology among the Chaldeans, Dollinger wrote:

"These men found a support in the stoic philosophy, which, starting with the principle of the substantial identity of God and Nature, had come to look upon the stars as eminently divine, and placed divine government of the world in the immovable course of the celestial globes."

In the time of Alexander the astrologers of the Chaldean and Alexandro-Egyptian schools were spread over Asia, Greece, and Italy, and taught that a secret influence from the planets descended uninterruptedly upon the earth and man, and that by magical lults and astrological prayers these planets could be acted upon and their forces directed as required. In Illuminised orders, such as the R.R. et A.C., these planetary influences are invoked, or attracted, by the Jewish symbol of power, the six-rayed star; and the higher grades are given at the various phases of the moon.

In Od and Magnetism, 1852, Reichenbach wrote:

"The element of odic force is thus radiated towards us so abundantlyby sunlight and moonlight that we can lay hold of it at our ease, and make use of it in simple experiments. How unbounded its influence is on the whole of humanity, and even on the whole animal and vegetable kingdoms, will be proved shortly. Od is accordingly a cosmic force that radiates from star to star, and has the whole universe for its field, just like light and heat."

This Od or, as the Rosicrucians say, magnetic fluid, is the universal life-force, generated by the sun, and reproduced by the moon, which can be used for good or perverted for evil.

In support of what we have written above we find the following in the Programme of the Anthroposophical Summer School, held at Tetbury, August 1934:

"Dr. C. A. Mirbt will hold classes dealing with the anthroposophical conception of Agriculture. The subjects will be as follows: the soil as the work of Cosmos and Earth; the soil as a manifestation of the evolution of the Earth; Etheric formative forces in plant and soil; the true nature of manuring; the animal kingdom as manifestation of the astral world...."

Here we have the Cosmic forces of the stars and the magnetic forces of the earth. It is the basis of all the old pagan cults; it is the ancient Chaldean astrological lore and that of the old Rosicrucian medicinal herb-growers. Added to it all is the modern science of manuring! Further Steiner, like the learned botanist of his youthful days, claimed to be able to see the vital or life-forces in the plant, to arrest these forces, and use them as required in his healing. Hence his "New Therapy" and the British Weleda Co., Ltd., for dispensing the results of the "Anthroposophical Medical Research," incorporated in 1925.

By some it is maintained that this "Anthroposophical Agriculture" is based, not on Astrology, but Astronomy. Yet Steiner's astronomy in "Spiritual Science" appears to be a reversion to ancient and Eastern beliefs when Nature's forces and phenomena were everywhere looked upon as active and ruling gods, sometimes good and sometimes evil. In Anthroposophy - Michaelmas, 1928, E. Vreede writes of his astronomy, andf explains that behind the veil of the past and Nature the stars reveal themselves as 'Colonies of Spiritual Beings,' nine stages of hierarchies towering above man. Together they have formed and governed the world and man, under a World Spirit.

In order that man should develop, these beings were seemingly withdrawn, and man was abandoned to mechanical laws;

"yet in this mechanism, as in all natural phenomena, spiritual beings are working. The fact that in Spring the plants come forth from the soil, that blossom and fruit appear, and that the plants wither away in Autumn; the fact that when here we have Autumn, Spring begins to burst on the other side of the Earth - all this is brought about by the Nature-Spirits, the gnomes, undines, sylphs together with the salamanders...."

Thus in the Stella Matutina four of its ceremonies end with the prayers of these nature spirits of water, air, earth, and fire, very beautiful as a piece of art, taking one back to childhood's wonderful fairy tales. Later, for the intellectual development of man, Ahrimanic beings (matter) were sent to consolidate the earth and veil spiritual reality.

Yet again it is said that man and Nature were, from the beginning, fashioned according to the laws of Rhythm and Periodicity, and the law of gravity held sway over the earth. Finally, as Steiner said: "When we observe the life of the world of stars, we are beholding the bodies of the Gods and ultimately Divinity itself." This once more seems to reveal the pantheistic nature of Steiner's whole teaching, "the bewitched God" enshrouded in all nature. The Jehovah of the cabalistic Jew - the Creative Principle.

According to Steiner the Gods of the Sun, Moon, and Saturn - this Creative Principle - manifested in the body of Jesus of Nazareth as a Christ-impulse - the Serpent Power of the Yogis, the Logos or serpent of the Gnostics. "And the fact that it was possible for the Christ-impulse to enter humanity was brought about by the ancient Initiation principle becoming historical fact."

In From Sphinx to Christ, by Eduard Schuré, the French and Jewish exponent of Steinere's Neo-Gnostic Illuminism, we are given an account of this ancient pantheistic creed as applied to the Christ of the Christian Church, de-Christianising and Judaising Christian beliefs; making Christ merely a super "Deified Man." The Sphinx represents the prepared body, offered in sacrifice, into which the Christ-impulse was to descend. The whole means the rise and perversion of the sex-force or serpent within man, attracting and uniting with the Lightening-Flash or Solar Christ-impulse from without, controlled by unknown directors - it is called initiation.

According to Schuré:

"It was still necessary that, from birth up to the age of thirty, when the Christ would take possession of His human habitation, the body of Jesus should be refined and harmonised by an initiate of the highest rank (one who had passed through many incarnations!), so that a man almost divine should offer himself up as a sacrifice, a consecrated vessel, to receive the God-made man."

Therefore, it is said that Jesus was a reincarnation of the high initiate Zoroaster! Later the "Master Jesus" was placed under the instructions of the Essenes, a fraternity of initiates who lived along the shores of the Dead Sea, where finally the "voice within" told him: "Thou hast laid thy body upon the altar of Adonai (the Lord of the Universe) like a lyre of ivory and gold. Now thy God claims thee that He may manifest Himself to men. He seeks thee and thou canst not escape Him! Offer thyself as a sacrifice. Embrace the Cross!"

Then followed the initiation, the baptism in the Jordan by John the Baptist, of which Schuré writes:

"It is forbidden to help the one who was being baptised to leave the water; the belief was that a breath of the Divine Spirit entered into him through the hand of the prophet and the waters of the river. The majority emerged from the test revivified; some died; others became insane as though possessed. These were called demoniacs."

As to the "Master Jesus":

"He is aware of a sensation of drowning followed by a terrible convulsion.... and for some seconds he sees a chaotic picture of his whole past life.... then the darkness of unconsciousness. The transcendent Self, the immortal Soul of the Master Jesus has left his physical body for ever, and he is received back into the aura of the Sun. At the same moment, by an inverse movement, the Solar Genius, the Sublime Being, whom we call Christ, entered the abandoned body and took possession of it, animating with new fire this human lyre that had been prepared through hundreds of generations."

Lightening flashed from the sky, and as He emerged from the water, His whole body bathed in light, a luminous dove appeared above His head, "the mystery of the Eternal Feminine, the spirit of Divine Love, transformer and vivifier of souls, to be called later by Christians the 'Holy Spirit.' " Then came a voice from above: "This is my beloved Son; to-day have I begotten Him." (This version of the words is, Schuré says, to be found in the early Hebrew gospel; it works in better with his idea of this Cosmic Christ!) "The object of His mission is the spiritualisation of the world and of man," through Love and the opening of the Mysteries to all who may aspire to them. That is illuminising as through the innumerable Mystery sects of to-day!

Now this whole account might well be the history of the preparation and initiation of the many illuminised tools now being used in the widespread Universal Movement of to-day. As in this baptism, so in these initiations, some died, some were illuminised, losing their personalities, becoming controlled by some unknown Master, as for example Krishnamurti of the Theosophical Society, "Octavia" of the Panacea Society, and many others. The Illuminising Power was the Gnostic Trinity - the Father, the generating force; the Holy Spirit, the Great Mother, the reproducer; the Son, the Cosmic Christ, the manifestation of the Creative Principle, the illuminising force, of all Gnostic and Cabbalistic sects.

Schuré further holds, thus in opposition to Mrs. Besant, that this Christ will not again occupy a material body, but will appear to such adepts who have astral vision. Just as in the "House of Wisdom, Cairo," the adepts were taught that Mohammed their prophet "could be contacted spiritually through meditation on the mystical doctrines!" Also in the R.R. et A.C., which was closely allied to Steiner's group, their mysterious Master latterly appeared astrally to many members, masquerading as a Christ, demanding from the adepts complete sacrifice in service to the Great World Movement. And Schuré says: "According to Rosicrucian tradition, the spirit which spoke to the world in the name of Christ and through the lips of the Master Jesus is closely related to the ruling star of our system, the Sun." This Christ-impulse is therefore a compelling power manipulated by these invisible directors, and the initiate penetrated by this force becomes merely the negative reproducer of the ideas and actions set in motion through this impulse. Under the mask of initiation he becomes diabolically possessed.

As M. Henri de Guillebert says:

"The Jew looks upon himself as the Sun of Humanity, the male, opposed to which the other peoples are but female, manifesting and assuring the coming of the Messianic era. In order to realise this sociological manifestation, the Jew organically extends his influence by means of secret societies created by him in order to spread everywhere his initiating force.... [hoping to realise] the 'Universal Republic,' controlled by the God of Humanity, the Jew of the Cabala."

Posted by:

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Deborah
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 4:45 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - Intro

Tarjei,

Thanks for posting this section of her book. Stoddard is new to me, but I've previously encountered people into the "New Age Conspiracy" who had a similar take on spiritual stuff. The group I new were pro-semitic, but otherwise the content was identical.

Are the WC-PLANS group using this stuff?

Deborah

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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3

Well, Taz,

I have no idea what the purpose is in your posting all of this trash. I have a strong feeling that somewhere in it all is something that you are proposing as an answer to what has been going on on this list. But you certainly have given our "friends" enough quotes to burn us all at the stake for a very long time to come. Never mind that who ever is writing this garbage is full of shit. The people we have been dealing with are not interested in the truth, they are certainly interested in juicy, juicy tidbits like you have given them here.

I make a definitive statement here that these articles are full of untruths and do not represent Rudolf Steiner or Anthroposophy in any way that I have encountered him or his work over the past 30 + years. This does not describe or speak about the Rudolf Steiner or Anthroposophy that I know and care about.

I am sick of the back log of bullshit that I have on my computer and the garbage piled upon garbage on this website. I am withdrawing my participation in this group because otherwise I would feel like I had to spend weeks and weeks taking this posting of Taz' apart and "disproving" it or else be tainted by the association with what is in it.

Go to it Dan, Peter, et al. Here is the grist for your mill. You will have a field day touting all of these quotes in support of your "cult" theories. But I say to you that nothing in practice or in what was given directly by Rudolf Steiner supports what is said here. I don't give a damn about Schure or Stoddard or what kinds of ego or mystic trips they may have been on.

I am appalled that such lies and fabrications have been posted here, even if it may be with the intention of refuting them.

So enjoy your posting freedom Taz. I repudiate your lack of common sense and refuse to be a part of it any longer.

Christine Natale

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 6:15 pm
Subject: Repudiating trash on the hard drive (was: "Inquire Within")

At 02:53 04.04.2004, Christine wrote:

Well, Taz,

I have no idea what the purpose is in your posting all of this trash.

Hmmm... Perhaps you and Diana ought to discuss the definitions of trash and garbage.

This does not describe or speak about the Rudolf Steiner or Anthroposophy that I know and care about.

What do you expect? Christina Stoddard was an anti-Semitic fascist with an agenda identical to that of PLANS.

I am sick of the back log of bullshit that I have on my computer and the garbage piled upon garbage on this website.

In that case, I suggest you delete and reformat your hard drive.

I am withdrawing my participation in this group because otherwise I would feel like I had to spend weeks and weeks taking this posting of Taz' apart and "disproving" it or else be tainted by the association with what is in it.

People sub and unsub every day here.

So enjoy your posting freedom Taz. I repudiate your lack of common sense and refuse to be a part of it any longer.

I know others have been repudiating your posts and that you're sore about it, but keep me out of it please. I've been staying clear of your business, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within" about Steiner - Intro

At 02:45 04.04.2004, Deborah wrote:

Stoddard is new to me, but I've previously encountered people into the "New Age Conspiracy" who had a similar take on spiritual stuff. The group I new were pro-semitic, but otherwise the content was identical.

That's the point. The same attacks and smear campaigns from the left and from the right, but with different political colors. Steiner has been depicted as a bolshevik Zionist Jew and as a pan-Germanic fascist anti-Semite. Take your pick, depending upon your target audience, cultural makeup and socio-political climate.

Are the WC-PLANS group using this stuff?

Sharon has written posts that are strikingly similar, but they haven't quoted fascist sources yet. Liberalism is a dirty word on the Religious Right, and Tolkien, Potter and Star Wars may be in disrepute in those circles too, but Stoddard is smearing the Jews and the Kabbalah so badly that not even they can touch her today.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 4:26 am
Subject: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?Was R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within" about Steiner - Intro

----- Original Message -----

Hi Tarjej and all,

this interesting topic about the whole lot of crap that Stoddard was able to invent is very useful to help us to develop some pictures. If we look closely at the Beast's aim we see that the difference between "left" and "right" were and are of very little meaning when basic Spiritual matters are at the stake. If the target is the Michale School (best wishes to Diana who calls Michale School "garbage", hope to see you later, lady of my b......s!) we can easily consider that all the difference bewteen ,for instance, reductionist nominalism and "religious" fundamentalism are like non existing. So Tarjej had a very good point in showing the "right" side of the shit box!

Stoddard and Staudenmaier, Webb and Gatto Trocchi (Italian catholic mainstream "journalist-cults-hunter"), Evola and Dugan, Guènon and Jesuits are all in the hand of rthe Beast, of Ahriman, of Lucipher and they play endlessly their game.

But....how I have been posting a millions time those "critics" are very easy to find and counter-attack.

From a Spiritual standpoint the biggest harm for the Michael School is what happens INSIDE. Inside GAS and the Movement. It's much more harmful a little quarrel inside GAS than a whole library of the above "critics" , doesn't it ?

A.

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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3

This has been a very entertaining exchange indeed. Quite misunderstanding Tarjei's posts, Christine writes:

Go to it Dan, Peter, et al. Here is the grist for your mill.

The material that Tarjei posted is not grist for my mill. Occultist works are virtually never reliable sources about other occultists. Lots of crazy conspiracists routinely denounce other crazy conspiracists in similar fashion. This tells us nothing at all about the actual doctrines of the figures being denounced.

Peter

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3

Peter, a question comes to mind, I do have one you know:) anyhow:) sorry for the smiles, it's the Bob Dylan effect....

Anyhow, do you consider Dr. Steiner to have been a racist?

:)

Dottie

p.s. I am wondering if this is what it feels like to be stoned, having never partaken of the herb. Wierd or maybe Word.

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 1:09 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3

----- Original Message -----

[Christine:]

Go to it Dan, Peter, et al. Here is the grist for your mill.

[PS:]

The material that Tarjei posted is not grist for my mill. Occultist works are virtually never reliable sources about other occultists. Lots of crazy conspiracists routinely denounce other crazy conspiracists in similar fashion. This tells us nothing at all about the actual doctrines of the figures being denounced.

[Andrea:]

Sure. When a guy is almost blind, all the cows are grey.........
("Occultist" are all the same for a "nominalism illnes" suffering one....)

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 8:08 am
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?

At 14:26 04.04.2004, Andrea wrote:

Hi Tarjej and all,

this interesting topic about the whole lot of crap that Stoddard was able to invent is very useful to help us to develop some pictures. If we look closely at the Beast's aim we see that the difference between "left" and "right" were and are of very little meaning when basic Spiritual matters are at the stake.

PLANS has been bragging about bringing all kinds of atheists, Christian fundies, anarchists, socialists, and conservatives together in the common cause against the scourge of Anthropophy, and now one of their staunchest allies turns out to have been a Jew-hating Nazi. It will be great sport to watch them quote or paraphrase Nazis in a smear campaign that knows no decency.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 10:26 am
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

PLANS has been bragging about bringing all kinds of atheists, Christian fundies, anarchists, socialists, and conservatives together in the common cause against the scourge of Anthropophy, and now one of their staunchest allies turns out to have been a Jew-hating Nazi. It will be great sport to watch them quote or paraphrase Nazis in a smear campaign that knows no decency.

Tarjei, how is it that Stoddard is hooked with PLANS? You say Stoddard is staunch ally of PLANS, I am wondering in what manner does this Stoddard support PLANS?

Thanks,
Dottie

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

At 19:26 04.04.2004, Dottie wrote:

Tarjei, how is it that Stoddard is hooked with PLANS? You say Stoddard is staunch ally of PLANS, I am wondering in what manner does this Stoddard support PLANS?

Christina Stoddard wrote in the 1930's, and the anti-anthroposophical smear campaigning movement she represented re-surfaced through PLANS later in the century. The only thing that changed was the Jewish factor: Stoddard used the Jew as the bogeyman behind RS and Anthroposophy; PLANS simply changed the bogeyman to Hitler and his ideological predecessors and changed Steiner from a Zionist bolshevik agent to a right-wing anti-Semite. The meat is the same, but the sauce has a different color, that's all.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 1:16 am
Subject: Grey cattle (was: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3)

At 10:09 05.04.2004, Andrea wrote:

Sure. When a guy is almost blind, all the cows are grey.........

OK, you'll be that cowboy Dottie is talking about then. I've had enough of the grey masses of humans they've been throwing at us. Now a stampede of grey cattle is added? Gimme a break.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: "VALENTINA BRUNETTI" <okcgbr@tin.it>
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 4:02 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle (was: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3)

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle (was: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3)

At 10:09 05.04.2004, Andrea wrote:

Sure. When a guy is almost blind, all the cows are grey.........

OK, you'll be that cowboy Dottie is talking about then. I've had enough of the grey masses of humans they've been throwing at us. Now a stampede of grey cattle is added? Gimme a break.

Uhu, akharisti! (Ungrateful)

A break ????

You had (and still have, damn'd) the chance to see at work a Lie Elemantal being and you want..."a break" ???

Three Pater, Ave, Gloria of penitence (I've ben, ahem, "educated" Catholic..) and, most of all, three days without thinking Anthroposphical matters....

A.

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 9:54 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle

I believe someone just re-wrote The Mamas and the Papas:

Waldorf Critics Dreaming

All the anthroposophists are brown
And the cows are grey
We've been writing posts
Subscribing to AT
We'd be safe and warm
If we were on WC
Waldorf Critics dreaming
On such a Waldorf day

Stopped into a courtroom
We passed along the way
Well, we got down on our knees
And we complained away
You know the jury lights the coals
They know we're gonna stay
Waldorf Critics dreaming
On such a Waldorf day

All the anthroposophists are brown
And the cows are grey
We've been writing posts
On a Waldorf day
If we didn't tell them
We could leave today
Waldorf Critics dreaming
On such a Waldorf day

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 10:51 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle

I often have trouble following what Andrea and Tarjei write, but in this instance I think they've both rather missed the point. Far from believing that all occultists are the same, what I said yesterday is that occultists very frequently denounce one another for absurd reasons. Anyone who reads such denunciations and takes these absurd reasons at face value, as if they told us anything significant about the views or figures being denounced, has made a basic error in reasoning.

To take one example, a number of early Nazis denounced Adolf Hitler for being a pawn of the Jews and spread a rumor that Hitler was Jewish himself. This is hardly reliable evidence that Hitler was actually a pawn of the Jews or was Jewish, and it certainly doesn't mean that Hitler's own views were not antisemitic.

Since Tarjei has trouble with analogies, let's spell this one out: When various and sundry nutcases denounce Rudolf Steiner for being a pawn of the Jews or being Jewish himself, this tells us nothing about either Steiner's identity or his doctrines. If you want to know what Steiner actually taught about Jews or about race or about anything else, you need to look at his own published works and examine them within their historical context.

Peter

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 11:23 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle

[PS:]

I often have trouble following what Andrea and Tarjei write,

It's very simple to end a trouble like this. It's enough to stop reading the posts.......

A.

of

Peter

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle

At 19:51 05.04.2004, Peter S wrote:

If you want to know what Steiner actually taught about Jews or about race or about anything else, you need to look at his own published works and examine them within their historical context.

We have looked at that, Peter, and we do understand it. Your problem with accepting that we understand these things is beside the point. Things need to be discussed when they are not understood, and when understanding is desired. You are determined not to understand, just like a holocaust denyer discussing historical documentation and witness accounts because "the others" don't understand, or the young earth creationist talking about understanding geology and astro-physics.

In other words, Peter, we DO know what Steiner actually taught about Jews or about race. Perhaps you do too, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you don't. You have also demonstrated that you don't want to know.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: dottie zold
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 11:48 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle

Peter, do you think Dr. Steiner was a racist?

Thanks, Dottie

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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

Dottie asks:

Tarjei, how is it that Stoddard is hooked with PLANS? You say Stoddard is staunch ally of PLANS, I am wondering in what manner does this Stoddard support PLANS?

Thanks for at least asking the question, Dottie. I, too, was wondering how this Stoddard person became an "ally" of PLANS or Waldorf critics simply by virtue of Tarjei posting excerpts from her writing on this list. (I have never heard of her.)

Tarjei appears to be utterly pining for someone to "smear" him or anthroposophy. If he can't get a Waldorf critic to do it, he'll dredge up some kook from decades ago, and complain, inconceivably, that although her criticisms appear radically opposed to those of critics today, in fact you will see, if you are very clever, this actually shows they are all in cahoots together, in a vast conspiracy against anthroposophy or St. Michael or something. This really only works if you have a taste for nutball occult conspiracy plots.

(Oh! I forgot! You do have a taste for nutball occult conspiracy plots.) (Not you, Dottie; some of ya friends.)

Diana

(who does believe planes flew into the WTC and the Pentagon; gosh, I agree with Frank and JoAnn on something)

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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

Just watched my own post pop up and noticed the title of this thread for the first time. Fascinating. I don't know if Tarjei titled this thread or where it came from. Is someone trying to say that Staudenmaier is the reincarnation of Stoddard? Something to do with the groovy coincidence of the names starting with "St"? I shouldn't and won't speak for him but to my knowledge the Staudenmaier = PLANS part is wrong too as I don't think he's a member of PLANS. I could be wrong. A fascinating little conspiracy theory, really fascinating.

Great historical research too, eh Daniel? Stoddard = Staudenmaier = PLANS. Nothing polemical going on there, just the facts! I love it.

Sorry. Done ranting.
Diana

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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

Is it me or do the times on posts here never make any sense? I seem to have posted the last 2 posts about 4 hours apart when in fact it was 5 minutes apart. Not that it matters. What time is it in Oslo?

Diana

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

At 23:32 05.04.2004, Diana wrote:

Tarjei appears to be utterly pining for someone to "smear" him or anthroposophy. If he can't get a Waldorf critic to do it, he'll dredge up some kook from decades ago, and complain, inconceivably, that although her criticisms appear radically opposed to those of critics today, in fact you will see, if you are very clever, this actually shows they are all in cahoots together, in a vast conspiracy against anthroposophy or St. Michael or something.

You're trying to conceal something important here: Stoddard's criticism does not appear radically opposed to that of PLANS; quite the contrary, it's strikingly similar.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

You're trying to conceal something important here: Stoddard's criticism does not appear radically opposed to that of PLANS; quite the contrary, it's strikingly similar.

Oh, yes, Tarjei, as usual, I'm trying to "conceal" something, I'm an attacker on a mission, part of a conspiracy of evil forces or Retarded Beings conspiring against anthroposophy, Light of the World. You've got to read between the lines, I've included hidden messages in my posts which are only readable if you have supersensible vision :)

I'm not interested in this discussion, actually. I can't speak for PLANS and I didn't read all that crap. I only glanced at those posts, read a few lines of each, enough to see that it was too screwball to be worth my time. Obviously neither PLANS nor any critic I know sets out to show anthroposophy as a Jewish plot linked to secret magical brotherhoods by which the Jew tries to "expand his influence organically." Stoddard may or may not have trivial facts about magical rituals correct, or where Steiner got them; I wouldn't know, I never read stuff like that. It destroys brain cells and obviously induces paranoia. You might consider taking a break from it yourself.

Diana

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 1:21 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?

Just watched my own post pop up and noticed the title of this thread for the first time. Fascinating. I don't know if Tarjei titled this thread or where it came from. Is someone trying to say that Staudenmaier is the reincarnation of Stoddard?

Repetita juvant....
(Sometimes also for the bricks..)

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