"Inquire Within" about
Steiner
From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:38 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - Intro
In January I wrote about the occult authorship
of Christina Stoddard, alias "Inquire Within." in an
exchange with Diana:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_tomorrow/message/1391
Stoddard was ultra-right-wing and extremely
anti-Semitic, but her approach to Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy
fits right into PLANS and the WC list. Stoddard's style has an
eerie resemblance to that of Sharon. The misrepresentation of
Steiner's ideas follows the classic approach of presenting quotes
and putting them in a context that makes them seem the opposite
of what they are. When I mention Sharon it's because Stoddard
digs deeply into speculations about dark and sinister Masters
stealing away the personalities of the members and initiates
and making them into something anti-Christian and robotic, slaves
to the Dark Lords. It is comparable to the alarm against "Harry
Potter" and "Lord of the Rings" and "Star
Wars" we hear from certain pastors today, who claim that
such literature leads to suicide and other evils among children
and young people because it's occult and there are demons behind
it.
Stoddard, however, blames it all on the Jewish
conspiracy and the Kabbalah and the slogans of the French Revolution.
If you do a search on her name, the first sites that pop up are
neo-Nazi sites and white supremacist sites. Stoddard is one of
their darlings.
Christina Stoddard wrote two books in the
1930's under the pseudonym "Inquire Within": "Light-Bearers
of Darkness" (1932) and "The Trail of the Serpent"
(1936). This 4 part post includes the entire chapter about Rudolf
Steiner and Anthroposophy.
Here are the chapters from "The Trail
of the Serpent":
Foreword
Chapter I - Sabeism. Eleusis
and Mithras
Chapter II - Cabalists, Gnostics,
and Secret Syrian Sects
Chapter III - Rosicrucians
and Illuminés
Chapter IV - Weishaupt's Illuminati
and the French Revolution
Chapter V - Carbonari, Mazzini,
l'Alliance-israélite-universelle and Karl Marx
Chapter VI - The Jewish Question
Chapter VII - Continental
Freemasonry
Chapter VIII - Theosophy and
India. Co-masonry
Chapter IX - Rudolf Steiner
and Anthroposophy
Chapter X - Fraternity of
Inner Light and Yoga
Chapter XI - Aleister Crowley
and the Golden Dawn
Chapter XII - American Groups
Chapter XIII - Secret Societies
in America, Tibet, and China
Chapter XIV - The Synarchy
of Agarttha
Index
The following three posts cover most of Chapter
IX - up until Max Heindel and Panacea Society. There is also
a bit about the CC Church that I may add on a later date.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:40 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 1
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentiles-900quotes.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/1000quote.html
#148 ANTI-SEMITICA
This is a quote from "Inquire Within" [pseud.]. The
Trail of the Serpent, London, Boswell Publishing Co., 1936, 325
pp.
A much quoted source of "facts"
touching upon the Illuminati, occult sciences, secret societies,
gnosticism, Judaeo-Masonry, black magic, cabalism, theosophy
and Rosicrucianism. See pp. 114-36 for a discussion of the "Jewish
Question." Regarding the author's identity, see [following
paragraph]: Authorship attributed to Miss C.M. Stoddart. Cf James
webb, The Occult Establishment (La Salle, Ill., Open Court, 1976),
pp.219-20 Review from: "Anti-Semitic Propaganda - An Annotated
Bibliography and Research Guide", Robert Singerman, Garland
Publishing, New York, 1982, ISBN 0-8240-9270-8 Contributed by
David S. Maddison (maddison@connexus.net.au)
#149 ANTI-SEMITICA
This is a quote from "Inquire Within" [pseud.]. The
Trail of the Serpent, London, Boswell Publishing Co., 1936, 325
pp.
A much quoted source of "facts"
touching upon the Illuminati, occult sciences, secret societies,
gnosticism, Judaeo-Masonry, black magic, cabalism, theosophy
and Rosicrucianism. See pp. 114-36 for a discussion of the "Jewish
Question." Regarding the author's identity, see [following
paragraph]:
Authorship attributed to Miss
C.M. Stoddart. Cf James webb, The Occult Establishment (La Salle,
Ill., Open Court, 1976), pp.219-20
Review from: "Anti-Semitic
Propaganda - An Annotated Bibliography and Research Guide",
Robert Singerman, Garland Publishing, New York, 1982, ISBN 0-8240-9270-8
Contributed by David S. Maddison (maddison@connexus.net.au)
Trail of the Serpent
by Inquire Within
[Christina Stoddard].
Chapter IX
Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy
In a leading article, 14 September,
1922, "The Patriot" warns its readers against "The
Subterranean War" and writes:
"For those who desire to learn
we publish to-day the first of a series of articles by 'G.G.'
(or 'Dargon'), a writer who has made a study of secret societies.
The purpose of 'The Anatomy of Revolution' is not to take the
reader deeply into any part of the subject, but to give a general
and historical view of that complex of subversive organization
which is working for the destruction of Christianity, of Civilization,
and of the British Empire. The writer, who is a true Briton and
a good patriot, has one purpose only - to warn the British public
of the unsuspected danger which, as he believes and we believe
also, imminently threatens it."
To quote G.G.:
"Here we must note that there has
always been among the Arcane societies a dual movement - on the
one hand mystical, on the other hand political. Such esoteric
bodies as the Fraternity of the Rosy-Cross, the Martinists, the
Swedenborgians, and Theosophists have consisted no doubt largely
of harmless enthusiasts to whom mysticism and magic appealed.
But they have also been used, as the cover for political intrigue,
and as a net wherein to catch, test, and select persons who could
be used for subversive ends. For it is one of the methods of
the revolutionary directorate to use, wherever possible, harmless
bodies as their cloak, and innocent people as their unconscious
agents....
"I may refer briefly to the existence
of an offshoot of the Theosophical Society, known as the Anthroposophical
Society. This was formed as the result of a chism in the ranks
of the Theosophists, by a man of Jewish birth who was connected
with one of the modern branches of the Carbonari. Not only so,
but in association with another Theosophist he is engaged in
organising certain commercial undertakings not unconnected with
Communist propaganda; almost precisely in the manner in which
'Count St. Germain' organised his dyeworks and other commercial
ventures with a like purpose. And this queer business group has
its connections with the Irish Republican movement... and also
with another mysterious group which was founded by Jewish 'intellectuals'
in France about four years ago (about 1918), and which includes
in its membership many well-known politicians, scientists, university
professors, and literary men in France, Germany, and England,
It is a secret society... although nominally a 'Right Wing' society,
it is in direct touch with members of the Soviet Government Russia..."
We have from time to time
written of Dr. Rudolf Steiner's gnostic teachings and political
activities. We now give a short summary of Edouard Schuré's
introduction to his translation of Steiner's book Le Mystère
Crétien et les Mystères Antiques, 1908. Schuré
considered Steiner's teaching most luminous - it was so-called
Christian Illuminism - but much later left him because of his
political activities, of which he did not approve. Later again,
he returned to the fold. Our interest in this sketch of Steiner's
life is that it shows how, from early years, he was watched,
astrally prepared, and directed by some mysterious Master and
initiator whose name and mission is not revealed.
According to Schuré,
who was a Jew, Steiner was born in Upper Austria in 1861, and
his youth was spent in the confines of Styria, the Carpathians,
and Hungary. At the age of fifteen, he made the acquaintance
of a learned botanist who "had the gift of seeing the vital
principle of the plants, their etheric bodies, and what occultists
call the elementals of the vegetable world." His calm, coldly
scientific conversation only further excited the curiosity of
the young man. "Steiner knew later that this strange man
was an envoy from the Master, whom he did not yet know, but who
was to become his real initiator, and who already supervised
him from afar." From his talks with the botanist he was
soon convinced that the basis of the "Great Universal"
was the double current which constitutes the movement of the
world - the flux and reflux of the universal life-force, this
occult and astral current which is the great propeller of life,
with its hierarchy of powers. From the age of eighteen Steiner
felt the double current: "He had from that time the irrefutable
sensation of occult powers who acted behind and through him to
direct him. He listened to this force and followed its warnings,
because he felt himself profoundly in accord with it."
When nineteen he met his Master,
for so long sensed, who was one of those powerful men who live
unknown to the world in order to accomplish a mission; ostensibly
they do not act upon human events. Incognito is the condition
of their strength, making their action only more efficacious,
"For they arouse, prepare, and direct those who act in the
public eye." And Steiner's mission, according to himself,
was: "To link together Science and Religion. Bring God into
Science, and Nature into Religion, and so fecundate anew Art
and Life." His Master was eminently a spiritual male as
opposed to Steiner's more feminine sensibilities; he was a formidable
dominator, for whom individuals scarcely existed. He spared neither
himself nor others, his will was like a bullet from a gun which
went straight to its aim, and swept all from its path.
Such was the powerful mind
which dominated and used Steiner as a mere automaton, pulling
the strings as his terrible ambitions required. For Steiner 1881
to 1891 was a period of study and preparation at Vienna; from
1891 to 1901 a time of struggle and combat at Weimar; from 1901
to 1907 a time of action and organisation at Berlin. About 1890
Steiner said: "The occult powers who were directing me obliged
me imperceptibly to penetrate into the then current ideas of
spiritualists." He came in touch with Nietzsche and Haeckel,
who oriented him intellectually. As Schuré said: "He
had the presentiment that in the incontestable discoveries of
the naturalist he would find the surest basis of evolutionary
spiritualism and rational Theosophy." Steiner, therefore,
entered into contemporary materialism, and armed himself for
his mission; in 1902 he found his battle-ground and support in
the Theosophical Society, and became Secretaty-General of the
German section. In 1913 he left Mrs. Besant because of the Alcyone
case, and founded the Anthroposophical Society.
As Schuré wrote:
"By his first Master and by the
Fraternity to which he was associated, Steiner belonged to another
school of occultism, that is, to Western esoteric Christianity
and more especially Rosicrucian initiation... The tradition of
esoteric Christianity, properly speaking, is directly and uninterruptedly
attached to the famous and mysterious Manes, founder of Manichæism,
who lived in Persia in the fourth century."
Brought up by Magi, Manes
became Christian (Gnostic); his doctrine was: (1) the Master
Jesus, prophet of Nazareth, was only the organ and interpreter
of the Christ, who was the "arcanum of the planetary Word"
- Solar manifestation; (2) he taught reincarnation and the numerous
ascending (planetary) existences of the human soul; (3) what
was called "evil" was only a necessary ingredient in
the general economy of the world, a stimulant, a ferment of universal
evolution!
Manes' disciples spread to
Palestine, Greece, italy, Gaul, Scythia, the Danube, and Africa.
His doctrine was for centuries propagated by oral tradition,
often under different names, Schuré writes, such as the
Cathari, Albigenses, the Templars, and the Brothers of Saint
John of Jerusalem. In the fifteenth century esoteric Christianity,
inspired by the same tradition, became more laic and scientific
under the influence of the Cabala and Alchemy, and it was about
then that Christian Rosenkreutz founded the Order of the Rose-Croix.
Rudonf Steiner as a Rose-Croix practised and taught Western occultism
as opposed to Eastern. He did not believe in the annihilation
of the body by asceticism - it must be trained and become like
a magnet attracting and making use of the required forces.
Such is the account of Steiner,
his Master and work as given by Eduard Schuré. The result
of Yoga, meditation and processes for awakening the kundalini,
whether Western or Eastern, is the same in all groups working
under unknown Masters; it means that gradually the Master takes
possession of the adept's mind and impresses his own will upon
it, so that an advanced initiate, such as Steiner, would work
under the impetus of the hidden Master and for his ends alone.
As the so-called Tibetan Master of Mrs. Alice Bailey, thosophist
and occultist, New York, explains, contact with the Master is
recognised by peculiar vibrations : (1) at the top of the spine;
(2) in the forehead (pineal gland, where the adept's kundalini
unites with the Master's forces from without, it is the seat
of controlled knowledge); (3) at the top of the head (pituitary
body). He continues: "In time the student comes to recognise
the vibration, and to associate it with some particular 'Great
One,' for each Master has his own vibration which impresses itself
upon his pupils in a specific manner." The forces are "these
magnetic currents of the universe, that vital fluid, those electric
rays, the latent heat in all bodies." Cold and calculating,
"a Master is only interested in a man from the point of
view of his usefulness in the group-soul and his capacity to
help." The individual is as nothing to him; he is only a
part in this world revolutionary machine, to be thrown aside
when no longer an asset in their game!
(to be continued....)
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:41 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 2
(continued)
Dr. Rudolf Steiner died at
Dornach, Switzerland, 30 March, 1925, slowly but surely burnt
out by the terrific forces working through him, and at his funeral
Albert Steffen, poet and president of the Executive Committee
of the Anthroposophical Society, delivered an address. Speaking
of Steiner's "Spiritual Science" or Christian Illuminism,
he said: "Rudolf Steiner opened out to us the prospect of
a religious life beyond all sects." Fifty theologians went
to him seeking a way to unite their work once more with the "eternal
life of the spirit," and Steffen continued: "Steiner
was able to transmit to them the holy ceremony which the priests
of the Christengemeinschaft are now enacting for himself."
We understand this Christengemeinschaft is being revived,
run by Heidenreyd with about 400 members in this country. What
is this "Spiritual Science"? According to Steiner,
"Anthroposophy is a path of knowledge to guide the Spiritual
in the human being to the Spiritual in the Universe." Wholly
cosmic and astral!
In his book translated by
Schuré, Le Mystère Crétien et les Mystères
Antiques, Steiner says:
"In the early days of Christianity
there sprang up in the old Pagan world, systems of the universe
which seemed to be a prolongation of the philosophy of Plato,
but which could be understood also as a spiritualisation of the
wisdom of the Mysteries. All these systems had their starting-point
in Philo, the Jewish philosopher of Alexandra, who said:
'It is necessary for the soul to come out of the ordinary "I."
Then it enters into a state of spiritual wcstasy, of illumination,
when it ceases to know, to think, and to recognise in the ordinary
sense of the words. For it has identified itself with the divine,
they have become one...' "
He is deified and has lost
his own personality! And as Steiner says:
"God (the Creative Principle) is
bewitched in the world, and it is his own force that is needed
to find Him. This force (sex-force) must be awakened within you.
Such were the teachings which the Myste received before initiation.
And now began the great drama of the world, of which he made
a living integral part. The aim of the drama was nothing less
than the freeing of the hidden God; where is that God? God is
not but Nature is. It is in Nature that he must be found. For
he is enshrouded in her as in an enchanted tomb."
Here we have the pantheistic
God Pan, who is merely the creative principle in all nature,
including man - the life force. As Clemens of Alexandria said
in speaking of the Greater Mysteries: "Here ends all teachings,
one sees Nature and things."
Further, Steiner explains:
"The Cross of Golgotha is the whole cult of the Ancient
Mysteries gathered into one fact.... Christianity as a mystical
fact is a degree of evolution in the Wisdom of the Mysteries."
This again is Manichæism, which looks upon the Crucifixion,
Resurrection, and Ascension of Christ as mystical experiences.
A lecture given by Steiner at Oxford in 1922, "The Mystery
of Golgotha," throws further light upon this Spiritual Science.
Now, Steiner was also a Rosicrucian, and in explaining this "Mystery
of Golgotha" he based his ideas upon certain words said
to have been written in the Book T., which, according to the
Rosicrucian mystical legend, was found on the breast of Christian
Rosenkreutz at the opening of his tomb in the fifteenth century.
These words were: Ex Deo
Nascimur; In Christo (or Jehesuah) morimur; Per Spiritum
Sanctum reviviscimus - From God are we born; in Christ or
Jesus do we die; through the Holy Spirit we rise again. That
is through the Gnostic Trinity - Father, creator; Son or Solar
Christ, the Logos or serpent, the vivifying force; the Holy Spirit,
the Great Mother which reproduces all things. The whole is the
eternal creation, destruction, and regeneration, as applied to
Illuminism.
In the R.R. et A.C., which,
under the late Dr. Felkin, was closely related to Steiner and
practised some of his processes and Eurhythmy for awakening the
kundalini, the 5 = 6 ritual dramatically depicts the meaning
of these words: the aspirant is led to the tomb wherein lay the
Chief Adept in full regalia, representing Christian Rosenkreutz;
the tomb is opened and the aspirant demands: "Out of the
Darkness let the Light arise!" From within the tomb a voice
is heard: "Buried with that Light in a mystical death, rising
again in a mystical resurrection, cleansed and purified through
Him our Master, O brother of the Rose and Cross!.... Seek thou
the Stone of the Wise!..." The Stone is the Quintessence
or PEntagram - Illuminism.
As illustrated on the lid
of the tomb, these mystical experiences represent the adept as
a Christ crucified on the Cross of Light or Illuminism; the Great
Dragon Leviathan - the kundalini - rises up to Daath,
and from above descends the Lightening-Flash attracted by and
uttering with the serpent within, linking the adept with the
universal life-force without. He becomes the Jehesuah-Yod, He
Shin, Vau, He - the Pentagram or deified man, losing his Selfhood.
It is the Rosicrucian Chymical Wedding. It is this described
by the Jewish writer Kadmi Cohen in Nomades:
"Abyss and pinnacle. The dizzy
height of the one set off by the unfathomable depth of the other.
Who will ever know the unspeakable sufferings of the ascension,
the moral terrors of the fall? But also the ineffable joy, superhuman,
divine, to be upon the peak which overhangs the universe, beyond
good and evil, above pure practical reason, to be Man, to be
Self, who equals himself to God, who wrestles with Him, who absorbs
Him. It is Israel, it is Ishmael who supplies these men to the
world!"
His God is the God Pam, he
is intoxicated by the astral Light!
Schuré explains that
Christian Rosenkreutz left "three spiritual truths"
to his disciples, and that these truths were only scientifically
proved four centuries later, namely: (1) the material unity of
the universe - by spectrum analysis; (2) organic evolution -
by transformation of species according to Darwin and Haeckel;
(3) states of human consciousness different from the ordinary
state - by hypnotism and suggestion. As the power used by Rosicrucians
was said to be the "magnetic fluid" in man and in the
universe, set in motion by concentrated thought and will-power,
one can easily believe that such initiations, under unknown Masters,
might mean hypnotism and suggestion. The spectrum is the resolution
of light through the prism, and as the Rosicrucian ritual says:
"Colours are forces and the signature of forces and Child
of the children of the forces art thou." The Rosicrucians
work with colours and geometrical figures, representing the forces
of the planets, the signs of the Zodiac, the elements, etc.,
and the colours of the planets are the spectrum of the Rosicrucian
"Divine White Light," that magnetic fluid which slays
and makes alive. Steiner talks much of planetary hierarchies,
Archangels, Angels, etc., but there is reason to believe that
they can one and all be reduced to nature's universal forces,
for the original 0=0 ritual of the Stella Matutina says:
"For by names and images are all powers awakened and reawakened."
Therefore, is not Steiner's
"Spiritual Science" merely the Hermetic fixation of
the astral light in a material body - Illuminism - linking the
adept, as a tool, to some "White Occultists" supposedly
working for the weal, or is it not rather the woe of humanity?
As expressing Steiner's Communistic,
political dreams and schemes, we have his "Threefold State."
As a symbolic basis for this "Threefold State" Steiner
takes the human organism: (1) the system of the nerves and senses
- the head system. (2) the system of breathing and the circulation
of the blood - the rhythmic system. (3) the organs and functions
of matter changes - the metabolic process. According to Steiner,
these systems, comparatively speaking, function separately: "There
is no such thing as absolute centralisation in the human organism."
"In order to thrive, the social organism, like the natural
one, requires to be threefold." (1) Economic life - relatively
as independent as the nervous and sensory system within the human
body. "Its concern is with everything in the nature of production,
circulation, and consumption of commodities." (2) Public
rights, political life - the State; "applied to a community
possessing common rights." (3) Mental and spiritual life;
"everything that rests on the natural endowment of each
single human being... spiritual and physical." Alongside
the political sphere and the economic sphere in a healthy society
there must be the spiritual sphere, functioning independently
on its own footing" - that is, religion, teaching, art,
and intellectual life, and even technical and organising capacities
as applied to the State or industrial economy.
"It is the threefold line of evolution
towards which modern humanity is striving... At the end of the
eighteenth century, under different circumstances from which
we are living to-day, there went up a cry from the hidden depths
of modern nature for a re-formation of human social relations
(stirred up by the Illuminati and Grand Orient Lodges). Through
all the scheme of the new order ran like a motto the three words:
'Fraternity, Equality, Liberty.' "
Admitting that equality and
liberty are contradictory, Steiner is in sympathy with all three,
and applies them to his threefold State. Economic life in the
form of Associations brotherhood, the State under equality, and
the spiritual field under liberty or freedom, and he says:
"No social State, constructed on
an abstract centralised scheme, can carry freedom, equality,
and brotherhood pell mell into practice. But each of the three
branches of the body social can derive its strength from one
of these (contradictory) ideal impulses; and then all three branches
will work fruitfully in conjunction."
Such is Steiner's, as it has
been called, "headless" Threefold State, and this he
would further extend, in the same headless way, to a Threefold
World State.
"Such a close interweaving of interests
will grow up, as will make territorial frontiers seem negligible
in the life of mankind. ... The forces to which nationalities
owe their growth require for their development free mutual interaction
untrammelled by any ties that grow up between respective bodies
of State and the Economic Associations. And the way of achieving
this is for the various national communities to develop the threefold
order within their own social structures; and then their three
branches can each expand its own relation with the corresponding
branches of the other communities. In this way, peoples, States,
economic bodies, become grouped together in formations that are
very various in shape and character; and every part of mankind
becomes so linked with the other parts that each is conscious
of the life of the other pulsing through its own daily interests.
A league of nations is the outcome arising out of root impulses
that correspond to actual realities. there will be no need to
'institute' one built up solely on legal theories of right."
Finally, he says: "There
must be but one human race working at one common task, willing
to read the signs of the times and to act in accordance with
them." The whole is just another form of Mazzini's "Associate,
associate!" or Mrs. Alice Bailey's "World State"
by means of "unification" under the control of some
mysterious "Supermen."
This dream of a World State
is far from being new. We know that Weishaupt's initiates had
to take an oath swearing to help to their utmost the foundation
of a Universal Republic; and at the end of the eighteenth century
the Illuminatus Anacharsis Clootz's plan was: "All peoples
forming only one nation, all the trades forming only one trade,
all interests forming only one interest." Steiner was an
Illuminatus said to have been linked to those who, towards the
end of the nineteenth century, revived Weishaupt's Illuminism.
He was, therefore, apparently, carrying on the tradition in his
Threefold World State.
Moreover, with regard to intellectual
interconnections, necessary for this World State, we might quote
the report 1928-29, of the "Society for Cultural Relations
Between the Peoples of the British Commonwealth and the Union
of Socialist Soviet Republics," in which it was noted that
the Anthroposophical Society (Steiner's) was one of the organisations
in contact with it. A British Government Blue Book thus describes
this S.C.R.: "The Communist International favours it as
a fertile ground for Communist propaganda of the intellectual
variety." And there is little doubt that to-day every nation
is conscious of the Soviet life "pulsing through its own
daily interests," largely detrimental and disintegrating
economically, politically, and spiritually.
To take another phase of Anthroposophical
teaching and practical application of its beliefs. In December
1932, Frau Lilly Kolisko, a leading member of the Anthroposophical
Society in Stuttgart, came to London to lecture to an agricultural
group of the Society which proposed to revive ancient astronomical
or perhaps astrological customs, common among primitive people,
adding to them, apparently, the science of Anthroposophy! Her
theories were that plants and vegetables sown at the correct
moon-phase grow much faster and more luxuriantly than when the
moon-phases are ignored. That the earth breathes rhythmically,
and that sowing, fertilising, and harvesting of crops can be
worked into this rhythm. Further, that plants requiring much
moisture grow a great deal better when planted two days before
full moon, and those requiring little moisture during a waning
moon.
Pearce, in his Text-book
of Astrology, tells us that more rain usually falls during
the increase than during the decrease of the moon,
as was proved by many experiments throughout the years 1868 to
1881. Again, the ancients have said that oaks cut down in springtime,
when the sap is rising, soon rot. All timber trees should be
felled during the winter solstice, and the last days of the moon,
when the timber would last in perpetuity. Practically this is
affirmed by R. Reynell Bellamy, in his book The Real South
Seas. He says of the Kanakas of New Caledonia that they maintain
that the flow of the sap is upwards with the waxing moon and
downwards when it wanes. They plant maize, beans, etc., before
the full moon, and the root crops after. Timber for building
purposes they fell during the last phase of lunation, when the
sap is at its lowest.
(to be continued....)
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 3:42 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - 3
(continued)
As for the rhythmic breathing
of the earth, they no doubt refer to the Great Breath or Swara
of the Universe, the life-force - Pingala, the positive
or sun breath; Ida, the negative or moon breath; and the
Sushumna, the central or uniting fire. There are also
the five Tatwas of refined matter - ether, air (gaseous),
fire (igneous), water (liquid), earth (solid). The whole process
of creation on all planes of life is said to be performed by
these Tatwas in their aspects of positive and negative. All these
phases follow and merge into each other in regular and continuous
procession. They are the basis of all magic, black or white.
They are Nature's finer forces, but not spiritual or divine,
except as instruments, the creative principle in all nature.
Again, to repeat what we have
previously said, speaking of astrology among the Chaldeans, Dollinger
wrote:
"These men found a support
in the stoic philosophy, which, starting with the principle of
the substantial identity of God and Nature, had come to look
upon the stars as eminently divine, and placed divine government
of the world in the immovable course of the celestial globes."
In the time of Alexander the
astrologers of the Chaldean and Alexandro-Egyptian schools were
spread over Asia, Greece, and Italy, and taught that a secret
influence from the planets descended uninterruptedly upon the
earth and man, and that by magical lults and astrological prayers
these planets could be acted upon and their forces directed as
required. In Illuminised orders, such as the R.R. et A.C., these
planetary influences are invoked, or attracted, by the Jewish
symbol of power, the six-rayed star; and the higher grades are
given at the various phases of the moon.
In Od and Magnetism,
1852, Reichenbach wrote:
"The element of odic force is thus
radiated towards us so abundantlyby sunlight and moonlight that
we can lay hold of it at our ease, and make use of it in simple
experiments. How unbounded its influence is on the whole of humanity,
and even on the whole animal and vegetable kingdoms, will be
proved shortly. Od is accordingly a cosmic force that radiates
from star to star, and has the whole universe for its field,
just like light and heat."
This Od or, as the Rosicrucians
say, magnetic fluid, is the universal life-force, generated by
the sun, and reproduced by the moon, which can be used for good
or perverted for evil.
In support of what we have
written above we find the following in the Programme of the Anthroposophical
Summer School, held at Tetbury, August 1934:
"Dr. C. A. Mirbt will hold classes
dealing with the anthroposophical conception of Agriculture.
The subjects will be as follows: the soil as the work of Cosmos
and Earth; the soil as a manifestation of the evolution of the
Earth; Etheric formative forces in plant and soil; the true nature
of manuring; the animal kingdom as manifestation of the astral
world...."
Here we have the Cosmic forces
of the stars and the magnetic forces of the earth. It is the
basis of all the old pagan cults; it is the ancient Chaldean
astrological lore and that of the old Rosicrucian medicinal herb-growers.
Added to it all is the modern science of manuring! Further Steiner,
like the learned botanist of his youthful days, claimed to be
able to see the vital or life-forces in the plant, to arrest
these forces, and use them as required in his healing. Hence
his "New Therapy" and the British Weleda Co., Ltd.,
for dispensing the results of the "Anthroposophical Medical
Research," incorporated in 1925.
By some it is maintained that
this "Anthroposophical Agriculture" is based, not on
Astrology, but Astronomy. Yet Steiner's astronomy in "Spiritual
Science" appears to be a reversion to ancient and Eastern
beliefs when Nature's forces and phenomena were everywhere looked
upon as active and ruling gods, sometimes good and sometimes
evil. In Anthroposophy - Michaelmas, 1928, E. Vreede writes
of his astronomy, andf explains that behind the veil of the past
and Nature the stars reveal themselves as 'Colonies of Spiritual
Beings,' nine stages of hierarchies towering above man. Together
they have formed and governed the world and man, under a World
Spirit.
In order that man should develop,
these beings were seemingly withdrawn, and man was abandoned
to mechanical laws;
"yet in this mechanism, as in all
natural phenomena, spiritual beings are working. The fact that
in Spring the plants come forth from the soil, that blossom and
fruit appear, and that the plants wither away in Autumn; the
fact that when here we have Autumn, Spring begins to burst on
the other side of the Earth - all this is brought about by the
Nature-Spirits, the gnomes, undines, sylphs together with the
salamanders...."
Thus in the Stella Matutina
four of its ceremonies end with the prayers of these nature spirits
of water, air, earth, and fire, very beautiful as a piece of
art, taking one back to childhood's wonderful fairy tales. Later,
for the intellectual development of man, Ahrimanic beings (matter)
were sent to consolidate the earth and veil spiritual reality.
Yet again it is said that
man and Nature were, from the beginning, fashioned according
to the laws of Rhythm and Periodicity, and the law of gravity
held sway over the earth. Finally, as Steiner said: "When
we observe the life of the world of stars, we are beholding the
bodies of the Gods and ultimately Divinity itself." This
once more seems to reveal the pantheistic nature of Steiner's
whole teaching, "the bewitched God" enshrouded in all
nature. The Jehovah of the cabalistic Jew - the Creative Principle.
According to Steiner the Gods
of the Sun, Moon, and Saturn - this Creative Principle - manifested
in the body of Jesus of Nazareth as a Christ-impulse - the Serpent
Power of the Yogis, the Logos or serpent of the Gnostics. "And
the fact that it was possible for the Christ-impulse to enter
humanity was brought about by the ancient Initiation principle
becoming historical fact."
In From Sphinx to Christ,
by Eduard Schuré, the French and Jewish exponent of Steinere's
Neo-Gnostic Illuminism, we are given an account of this ancient
pantheistic creed as applied to the Christ of the Christian Church,
de-Christianising and Judaising Christian beliefs; making Christ
merely a super "Deified Man." The Sphinx represents
the prepared body, offered in sacrifice, into which the Christ-impulse
was to descend. The whole means the rise and perversion of the
sex-force or serpent within man, attracting and uniting with
the Lightening-Flash or Solar Christ-impulse from without, controlled
by unknown directors - it is called initiation.
According to Schuré:
"It was still necessary that, from
birth up to the age of thirty, when the Christ would take possession
of His human habitation, the body of Jesus should be refined
and harmonised by an initiate of the highest rank (one who had
passed through many incarnations!), so that a man almost divine
should offer himself up as a sacrifice, a consecrated vessel,
to receive the God-made man."
Therefore, it is said that
Jesus was a reincarnation of the high initiate Zoroaster! Later
the "Master Jesus" was placed under the instructions
of the Essenes, a fraternity of initiates who lived along the
shores of the Dead Sea, where finally the "voice within"
told him: "Thou hast laid thy body upon the altar of Adonai
(the Lord of the Universe) like a lyre of ivory and gold. Now
thy God claims thee that He may manifest Himself to men. He seeks
thee and thou canst not escape Him! Offer thyself as a sacrifice.
Embrace the Cross!"
Then followed the initiation,
the baptism in the Jordan by John the Baptist, of which Schuré
writes:
"It is forbidden to help the one
who was being baptised to leave the water; the belief was that
a breath of the Divine Spirit entered into him through the hand
of the prophet and the waters of the river. The majority emerged
from the test revivified; some died; others became insane as
though possessed. These were called demoniacs."
As to the "Master Jesus":
"He is aware of a sensation of
drowning followed by a terrible convulsion.... and for some seconds
he sees a chaotic picture of his whole past life.... then the
darkness of unconsciousness. The transcendent Self, the immortal
Soul of the Master Jesus has left his physical body for ever,
and he is received back into the aura of the Sun. At the same
moment, by an inverse movement, the Solar Genius, the Sublime
Being, whom we call Christ, entered the abandoned body and took
possession of it, animating with new fire this human lyre that
had been prepared through hundreds of generations."
Lightening flashed from the
sky, and as He emerged from the water, His whole body bathed
in light, a luminous dove appeared above His head, "the
mystery of the Eternal Feminine, the spirit of Divine Love, transformer
and vivifier of souls, to be called later by Christians the 'Holy
Spirit.' " Then came a voice from above: "This is my
beloved Son; to-day have I begotten Him." (This version
of the words is, Schuré says, to be found in the early
Hebrew gospel; it works in better with his idea of this Cosmic
Christ!) "The object of His mission is the spiritualisation
of the world and of man," through Love and the opening of
the Mysteries to all who may aspire to them. That is illuminising
as through the innumerable Mystery sects of to-day!
Now this whole account might
well be the history of the preparation and initiation of the
many illuminised tools now being used in the widespread Universal
Movement of to-day. As in this baptism, so in these initiations,
some died, some were illuminised, losing their personalities,
becoming controlled by some unknown Master, as for example Krishnamurti
of the Theosophical Society, "Octavia" of the Panacea
Society, and many others. The Illuminising Power was the Gnostic
Trinity - the Father, the generating force; the Holy Spirit,
the Great Mother, the reproducer; the Son, the Cosmic Christ,
the manifestation of the Creative Principle, the illuminising
force, of all Gnostic and Cabbalistic sects.
Schuré further holds,
thus in opposition to Mrs. Besant, that this Christ will not
again occupy a material body, but will appear to such adepts
who have astral vision. Just as in the "House of Wisdom,
Cairo," the adepts were taught that Mohammed their prophet
"could be contacted spiritually through meditation on the
mystical doctrines!" Also in the R.R. et A.C., which was
closely allied to Steiner's group, their mysterious Master latterly
appeared astrally to many members, masquerading as a Christ,
demanding from the adepts complete sacrifice in service to the
Great World Movement. And Schuré says: "According
to Rosicrucian tradition, the spirit which spoke to the world
in the name of Christ and through the lips of the Master Jesus
is closely related to the ruling star of our system, the Sun."
This Christ-impulse is therefore a compelling power manipulated
by these invisible directors, and the initiate penetrated by
this force becomes merely the negative reproducer of the ideas
and actions set in motion through this impulse. Under the mask
of initiation he becomes diabolically possessed.
As M. Henri de Guillebert
says:
"The Jew looks upon himself as
the Sun of Humanity, the male, opposed to which the other peoples
are but female, manifesting and assuring the coming of the Messianic
era. In order to realise this sociological manifestation, the
Jew organically extends his influence by means of secret societies
created by him in order to spread everywhere his initiating force....
[hoping to realise] the 'Universal Republic,' controlled by the
God of Humanity, the Jew of the Cabala."
Posted by:
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Deborah
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 4:45 pm
Subject: "Inquire Within" about Steiner - Intro
Tarjei,
Thanks for posting this section of her book.
Stoddard is new to me, but I've previously encountered people
into the "New Age Conspiracy" who had a similar take
on spiritual stuff. The group I new were pro-semitic, but otherwise
the content was identical.
Are the WC-PLANS group using this stuff?
Deborah
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within"
about Steiner - 3
Well, Taz,
I have no idea what the purpose is in your
posting all of this trash. I have a strong feeling that somewhere
in it all is something that you are proposing as an answer to
what has been going on on this list. But you certainly have given
our "friends" enough quotes to burn us all at the stake
for a very long time to come. Never mind that who ever is writing
this garbage is full of shit. The people we have been dealing
with are not interested in the truth, they are certainly interested
in juicy, juicy tidbits like you have given them here.
I make a definitive statement here that these
articles are full of untruths and do not represent Rudolf Steiner
or Anthroposophy in any way that I have encountered him or his
work over the past 30 + years. This does not describe or speak
about the Rudolf Steiner or Anthroposophy that I know and care
about.
I am sick of the back log of bullshit that
I have on my computer and the garbage piled upon garbage on this
website. I am withdrawing my participation in this
group because otherwise I would feel like I had to spend weeks
and weeks taking this posting of Taz' apart and "disproving"
it or else be tainted by the association with what is in it.
Go to it Dan, Peter, et al. Here is the grist
for your mill. You will have a field day touting all of these
quotes in support of your "cult" theories. But I say
to you that nothing in practice or in what was given directly
by Rudolf Steiner supports what is said here. I don't give a
damn about Schure or Stoddard or what kinds of ego or mystic
trips they may have been on.
I am appalled that such lies and fabrications
have been posted here, even if it may be with the intention of
refuting them.
So enjoy your posting freedom Taz. I repudiate
your lack of common sense and refuse to be a part of it any longer.
Christine Natale
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 6:15 pm
Subject: Repudiating trash on the hard drive (was: "Inquire
Within")
At 02:53 04.04.2004, Christine wrote:
Well, Taz,
I have no idea what the purpose is in your
posting all of this trash.
Hmmm... Perhaps you and Diana ought to discuss
the definitions of trash and garbage.
This does not describe or speak about the
Rudolf Steiner or Anthroposophy that I know and care about.
What do you expect? Christina Stoddard was
an anti-Semitic fascist with an agenda identical to that of PLANS.
I am sick of the back log of bullshit that
I have on my computer and the garbage piled upon garbage on this
website.
In that case, I suggest you delete and reformat
your hard drive.
I am withdrawing my participation in
this group because otherwise I would feel like
I had to spend weeks and weeks taking this posting of Taz' apart
and "disproving" it or else be tainted by the association
with what is in it.
People sub and unsub every day here.
So enjoy your posting freedom Taz. I repudiate
your lack of common sense and refuse to be a part of it any longer.
I know others have been repudiating your posts
and that you're sore about it, but keep me out of it please.
I've been staying clear of your business, so you're barking up
the wrong tree.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Apr 3, 2004 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within"
about Steiner - Intro
At 02:45 04.04.2004, Deborah wrote:
Stoddard is new to me, but I've previously
encountered people into the "New Age Conspiracy" who
had a similar take on spiritual stuff. The group I new were pro-semitic,
but otherwise the content was identical.
That's the point. The same attacks and smear
campaigns from the left and from the right, but with different
political colors. Steiner has been depicted as a bolshevik Zionist
Jew and as a pan-Germanic fascist anti-Semite. Take your pick,
depending upon your target audience, cultural makeup and socio-political
climate.
Are the WC-PLANS group using this stuff?
Sharon has written posts that are strikingly
similar, but they haven't quoted fascist sources yet. Liberalism
is a dirty word on the Religious Right, and Tolkien, Potter and
Star Wars may be in disrepute in those circles too, but Stoddard
is smearing the Jews and the Kabbalah so badly that not even
they can touch her today.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 4:26 am
Subject: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?Was R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow]
"Inquire Within" about Steiner - Intro
----- Original Message -----
Hi Tarjej and all,
this interesting topic about the whole lot
of crap that Stoddard was able to invent is very useful to help
us to develop some pictures. If we look closely at the Beast's
aim we see that the difference between "left" and "right"
were and are of very little meaning when basic Spiritual matters
are at the stake. If the target is the Michale School (best wishes
to Diana who calls Michale School "garbage", hope to
see you later, lady of my b......s!) we can easily consider that
all the difference bewteen ,for instance, reductionist nominalism
and "religious" fundamentalism are like non existing.
So Tarjej had a very good point in showing the "right"
side of the shit box!
Stoddard and Staudenmaier, Webb and Gatto
Trocchi (Italian catholic mainstream "journalist-cults-hunter"),
Evola and Dugan, Guènon and Jesuits are all in the hand
of rthe Beast, of Ahriman, of Lucipher and they play endlessly
their game.
But....how I have been posting a millions
time those "critics" are very easy to find and counter-attack.
From a Spiritual standpoint the biggest harm
for the Michael School is what happens INSIDE. Inside GAS and
the Movement. It's much more harmful a little quarrel inside
GAS than a whole library of the above "critics" , doesn't
it ?
A.
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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within"
about Steiner - 3
This has been a very entertaining exchange
indeed. Quite misunderstanding Tarjei's posts, Christine writes:
Go to it Dan, Peter, et al. Here is the grist for your mill.
The material that Tarjei posted is not grist for my mill. Occultist
works are virtually never reliable sources about other occultists.
Lots of crazy conspiracists routinely denounce other crazy conspiracists
in similar fashion. This tells us nothing at all about the actual
doctrines of the figures being denounced.
Peter
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within"
about Steiner - 3
Peter, a question comes to mind, I do have
one you know:) anyhow:) sorry for the smiles, it's the Bob Dylan
effect....
Anyhow, do you consider Dr. Steiner to have
been a racist?
:)
Dottie
p.s. I am wondering if this is what it feels
like to be stoned, having never partaken of the herb. Wierd or
maybe Word.
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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 1:09 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] "Inquire Within"
about Steiner - 3
----- Original Message -----
[Christine:]
Go to it Dan, Peter, et al. Here is the
grist for your mill.
[PS:]
The material that Tarjei posted is not
grist for my mill. Occultist works are virtually never reliable
sources about other occultists. Lots of crazy conspiracists routinely
denounce other crazy conspiracists in similar fashion. This tells
us nothing at all about the actual doctrines of the figures being
denounced.
[Andrea:]
Sure. When a guy is almost blind, all the
cows are grey.........
("Occultist" are all the same for a "nominalism
illnes" suffering one....)
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 8:08 am
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?
At 14:26 04.04.2004, Andrea wrote:
Hi Tarjej and all,
this interesting topic about the whole
lot of crap that Stoddard was able to invent is very useful to
help us to develop some pictures. If we look closely at the Beast's
aim we see that the difference between "left" and "right"
were and are of very little meaning when basic Spiritual matters
are at the stake.
PLANS has been bragging about bringing all
kinds of atheists, Christian fundies, anarchists, socialists,
and conservatives together in the common cause against the scourge
of Anthropophy, and now one of their staunchest allies turns
out to have been a Jew-hating Nazi. It will be great sport to
watch them quote or paraphrase Nazis in a smear campaign that
knows no decency.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 10:26 am
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?
PLANS has been bragging about bringing
all kinds of atheists, Christian fundies, anarchists, socialists,
and conservatives together in the common cause against the scourge
of Anthropophy, and now one of their staunchest allies turns
out to have been a Jew-hating Nazi. It will be great sport to
watch them quote or paraphrase Nazis in a smear campaign that
knows no decency.
Tarjei, how is it that Stoddard is hooked
with PLANS? You say Stoddard is staunch ally of PLANS, I am wondering
in what manner does this Stoddard support PLANS?
Thanks,
Dottie
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Apr 4, 2004 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?
= PLANS?
At 19:26 04.04.2004, Dottie wrote:
Tarjei, how is it that Stoddard is hooked
with PLANS? You say Stoddard is staunch ally of PLANS, I am wondering
in what manner does this Stoddard support PLANS?
Christina Stoddard wrote in the 1930's, and
the anti-anthroposophical smear campaigning movement she represented
re-surfaced through PLANS later in the century. The only thing
that changed was the Jewish factor: Stoddard used the Jew as
the bogeyman behind RS and Anthroposophy; PLANS simply changed
the bogeyman to Hitler and his ideological predecessors and changed
Steiner from a Zionist bolshevik agent to a right-wing anti-Semite.
The meat is the same, but the sauce has a different color, that's
all.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 1:16 am
Subject: Grey cattle (was: "Inquire Within" about Steiner
- 3)
At 10:09 05.04.2004, Andrea wrote:
Sure. When a guy is almost blind, all the
cows are grey.........
OK, you'll be that cowboy Dottie is talking
about then. I've had enough of the grey masses of humans they've
been throwing at us. Now a stampede of grey cattle is added?
Gimme a break.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: "VALENTINA BRUNETTI" <okcgbr@tin.it>
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 4:02 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle (was: "Inquire
Within" about Steiner - 3)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle (was: "Inquire
Within" about Steiner - 3)
At 10:09 05.04.2004, Andrea wrote:
Sure. When a guy is almost blind, all the
cows are grey.........
OK, you'll be that cowboy Dottie is talking
about then. I've had enough of the grey masses of humans they've
been throwing at us. Now a stampede of grey cattle is added?
Gimme a break.
Uhu, akharisti! (Ungrateful)
A break ????
You had (and still have, damn'd) the chance
to see at work a Lie Elemantal being and you want..."a break"
???
Three Pater, Ave, Gloria of penitence (I've
ben, ahem, "educated" Catholic..) and, most of all,
three days without thinking Anthroposphical matters....
A.
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 9:54 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle
I believe someone just re-wrote The Mamas
and the Papas:
Waldorf Critics Dreaming
All the anthroposophists are
brown
And the cows are grey
We've been writing posts
Subscribing to AT
We'd be safe and warm
If we were on WC
Waldorf Critics dreaming
On such a Waldorf day
Stopped into a courtroom
We passed along the way
Well, we got down on our knees
And we complained away
You know the jury lights the coals
They know we're gonna stay
Waldorf Critics dreaming
On such a Waldorf day
All the anthroposophists are
brown
And the cows are grey
We've been writing posts
On a Waldorf day
If we didn't tell them
We could leave today
Waldorf Critics dreaming
On such a Waldorf day
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 10:51 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle
I often have trouble following what Andrea
and Tarjei write, but in this instance I think they've both rather
missed the point. Far from believing that all occultists are
the same, what I said yesterday is that occultists very frequently
denounce one another for absurd reasons. Anyone who reads such
denunciations and takes these absurd reasons at face value, as
if they told us anything significant about the views or figures
being denounced, has made a basic error in reasoning.
To take one example, a number of early Nazis denounced Adolf
Hitler for being a pawn of the Jews and spread a rumor that Hitler
was Jewish himself. This is hardly reliable evidence that Hitler
was actually a pawn of the Jews or was Jewish, and it certainly
doesn't mean that Hitler's own views were not antisemitic.
Since Tarjei has trouble with analogies, let's spell this one
out: When various and sundry nutcases denounce Rudolf Steiner
for being a pawn of the Jews or being Jewish himself, this tells
us nothing about either Steiner's identity or his doctrines.
If you want to know what Steiner actually taught about Jews or
about race or about anything else, you need to look at his own
published works and examine them within their historical context.
Peter
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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 11:23 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle
[PS:]
I often have trouble following what Andrea
and Tarjei write,
It's very simple to end a trouble like this. It's enough to stop
reading the posts.......
A.
of
Peter
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle
At 19:51 05.04.2004, Peter S wrote:
If you want to know what Steiner actually
taught about Jews or about race or about anything else, you need
to look at his own published works and examine them within their
historical context.
We have looked at that, Peter, and we do understand
it. Your problem with accepting that we understand these things
is beside the point. Things need to be discussed when they are
not understood, and when understanding is desired. You are determined
not to understand, just like a holocaust denyer discussing historical
documentation and witness accounts because "the others"
don't understand, or the young earth creationist talking about
understanding geology and astro-physics.
In other words, Peter, we DO know what Steiner
actually taught about Jews or about race. Perhaps you do too,
but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you don't.
You have also demonstrated that you don't want to know.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: dottie zold
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 11:48 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Grey cattle
Peter, do you think Dr. Steiner was a racist?
Thanks, Dottie
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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?
Dottie asks:
Tarjei, how is it that Stoddard is hooked
with PLANS? You say Stoddard is staunch ally of PLANS, I am wondering
in what manner does this Stoddard support PLANS?
Thanks for at least asking the question, Dottie.
I, too, was wondering how this Stoddard person became an "ally"
of PLANS or Waldorf critics simply by virtue of Tarjei posting
excerpts from her writing on this list. (I have never heard of
her.)
Tarjei appears to be utterly pining for someone
to "smear" him or anthroposophy. If he can't get a
Waldorf critic to do it, he'll dredge up some kook from decades
ago, and complain, inconceivably, that although her criticisms
appear radically opposed to those of critics today, in fact you
will see, if you are very clever, this actually shows they are
all in cahoots together, in a vast conspiracy against anthroposophy
or St. Michael or something. This really only works if you have
a taste for nutball occult conspiracy plots.
(Oh! I forgot! You do have a taste
for nutball occult conspiracy plots.) (Not you, Dottie; some
of ya friends.)
Diana
(who does believe planes flew into the WTC
and the Pentagon; gosh, I agree with Frank and JoAnn on something)
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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?
Just watched my own post pop up and noticed
the title of this thread for the first time. Fascinating. I don't
know if Tarjei titled this thread or where it came from. Is someone
trying to say that Staudenmaier is the reincarnation of Stoddard?
Something to do with the groovy coincidence of the names starting
with "St"? I shouldn't and won't speak for him but
to my knowledge the Staudenmaier = PLANS part is wrong too as
I don't think he's a member of PLANS. I could be wrong. A fascinating
little conspiracy theory, really fascinating.
Great historical research too, eh Daniel?
Stoddard = Staudenmaier = PLANS. Nothing polemical going on there,
just the facts! I love it.
Sorry. Done ranting.
Diana
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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?
Is it me or do the times on posts here never
make any sense? I seem to have posted the last 2 posts about
4 hours apart when in fact it was 5 minutes apart. Not that it
matters. What time is it in Oslo?
Diana
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?
= PLANS?
At 23:32 05.04.2004, Diana wrote:
Tarjei appears to be utterly pining for
someone to "smear" him or anthroposophy. If he can't
get a Waldorf critic to do it, he'll dredge up some kook from
decades ago, and complain, inconceivably, that although her criticisms
appear radically opposed to those of critics today, in fact you
will see, if you are very clever, this actually shows they are
all in cahoots together, in a vast conspiracy against anthroposophy
or St. Michael or something.
You're trying to conceal something important
here: Stoddard's criticism does not appear radically opposed
to that of PLANS; quite the contrary, it's strikingly similar.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: winters_diana
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier? = PLANS?
You're trying to conceal something important
here: Stoddard's criticism does not appear radically opposed
to that of PLANS; quite the contrary, it's strikingly similar.
Oh, yes, Tarjei, as usual, I'm trying to "conceal"
something, I'm an attacker on a mission, part of a conspiracy
of evil forces or Retarded Beings conspiring against anthroposophy,
Light of the World. You've got to read between the lines, I've
included hidden messages in my posts which are only readable
if you have supersensible vision :)
I'm not interested in this discussion, actually.
I can't speak for PLANS and I didn't read all that crap. I only
glanced at those posts, read a few lines of each, enough to see
that it was too screwball to be worth my time. Obviously neither
PLANS nor any critic I know sets out to show anthroposophy as
a Jewish plot linked to secret magical brotherhoods by which
the Jew tries to "expand his influence organically."
Stoddard may or may not have trivial facts about magical rituals
correct, or where Steiner got them; I wouldn't know, I never
read stuff like that. It destroys brain cells and obviously induces
paranoia. You might consider taking a break from it yourself.
Diana
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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 1:21 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?
= PLANS?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Stoddard =Staudenmaier?
= PLANS?
Just watched my own post pop up and noticed
the title of this thread for the first time. Fascinating. I don't
know if Tarjei titled this thread or where it came from. Is someone
trying to say that Staudenmaier is the reincarnation of Stoddard?
Repetita juvant....
(Sometimes also for the bricks..)
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