Lies

 

From: Deborah
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 4:37 pm
Subject: lies

Dear Diana,

I will respond in a few days with a compilation of untruths in some of the attacks on Steiner, waldorf education and anthroposophy. Unfortunately I have some assignments I should work on and they do come first. I can whip off snotty, smart-ass remarks with no particular effort, but finding the lies, documenting exactly how they are lies and then writing the whole thing up will take time and effort.

So do not, for a moment, think I am shirking my duty!

And do call me Deborah. I wouldn't want you to be uncomfortable:)

Deborah

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From: Deborah
Date: Thu Apr 8, 2004 6:23 am
Subject: lies

Peter Staudenmeier writes lies.

He made up some racist content and claimed that Steiner's lectures in Norway contained said racist content. His defence?

1) Steiner did actually give some lectures in Norway. This is not in dispute. I agree, the evidence is absolutely clear on this point: Steiner gave some lectures in Norway.
2) Said lectures included a German word that can be translated as either root race or main race depending on the translator. This is the only bit of his made up racist content that he has tried to defend.

Peter Staudenmeier writes lies.

As I said earlier, if Steiner is really "racist to the core" it should be possible to demonstrate this reality without quoting out of context, mistranslating or making things up. Once someone has demonstrated that they make things up (i.e. lie) I cannot see any reason to continue talking to them. I certainly can't see treating a person who writes lies as an authority on the content of the person they are misrepresenting!

So, why don't we politely ask Peter to go and write lies to some other group of suckers? And Diana, if you think Peter has been truthful in his representation of Steiner's Norway lectures, please read them and share the relevant passages with us. Thanks to everyone for all their hard work in illuminating the actual content of these lectures. Great job of window cleaning after someone tossed some poop.

Deborah

PS I'm going to stop participating for a few days so I can finish my fascinating paper on the TV industry in Canada (for my Business Information class). Bye for now.

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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Thu Apr 8, 2004 9:56 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] lies

Hi Deborah,

lies are when I write something that I do not believe to be true. When I write something that you do not believe to be true, I am not lying. All you really mean is that my arguments about anthroposophy are erroneous. On that score, you wrote:

I agree, the evidence is absolutely clear on this point: Steiner gave some lectures in Norway.

Glad we agree on that. Did you notice that in these lectures Steiner says that the Negro race is substantially determined by childhood characteristics, and that the American Indians died out because they were destined to do so, not because of persecution by Europeans? I'd be very interested to hear why you think those views are not racist. Thanks,

Peter

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From: holderlin66
Date: Thu Apr 8, 2004 9:11 am
Subject: Re: lies

holderlin wrote:

http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Articles/ReKarm_e01.html

Bradford comments;

Yes, I know this post heding is just a day old, but I hope, and I do hope we understand what we read when we read it. I hope you see, that which I quoted from the above lecture location of Dr. Steiner, regarding Karma, regarding the passion Steiner had to reveal the mystery of the I Am in a dumb and dense, scientific world. I hope you read Steiner's heroic, isolated, absolutely alone role in presenting things that would, if ever, taken 200 years for the sluggish, silly and massively destructive thinking of science to consider.

Here was a scientist of both Chemistry and a Scientist of the Human Soul, Dr. Steiner. Steiner's words on the Music of the Spheres in relation to tone and their numbers and relationships, and the relationships of those numbers, to matter and to matter's chemical organization is stunning. Most of us on this list have no idea what I am talking about, that is tragic. He takes the Music of the Spheres, Kepler's brilliant analogy and Mystical Fact as a relation to chemistry. Steiner brings this as a Scientist, as a math construct to the world, that comes out of the Devachan world. Isn't this important to you of the Michael School as it hinges on the entire framework of the Resurrection?

When I say Christ is a master of the Atomic Table and the Imagination of the Human Form arises out of the Logos and that Mary Magdalene was an eyewitness to it... What are we in the Michael School dawdling about? Have we no ability to put these facts together and stand up for the I AM?

What do you think we are talking about with Diluted Uranium or Chernobyl or Dr. StrangeLove and "The Church of the UnRisen Light"? These shrunken headed morons rule every university and we, would be hog tied by the likes of Peter Staudenmaier or Science; Or Political Ahrimanic forces in the U.S. and military, who, like most us, are in denial? Do we not have weapons from Michael Intelligence and the lone battles Dr. Steiner fought, to confront the crass lies and materialism that our entire culture is resting on? We don't act like it.

I brought this specific quote as drawing a relationship between Peter Staudenmaier and the entire Science, cloning and evolutionary bullshit that Ladenburg flaps his gums at. Steiner, myself and most of the people on this list are pissed off, but we have also had a chance to think into the issue, review. And this issue and our review over the issue of race has been less than educational to the wide members of the Open Michael School. We review but we review under snake rules, not I Am rules. This is not polemics, this is illness, mental retardation, ignorance. Steiner was pissed off about it. And so are we!

I say to all of us in the Michael School, look at the lonely heroism, and passion of this one lone researcher holding in his heart, the Karma and Science of the Christ Event, against a massive Dragon, in Steiner's face and foaming polemic. Here is is one Initiate with a lone sword. Here Tarjei, Andrea, Paulina and so many of us have shown the drama of the Racial attacks that bombarded the German Cultural Mission of I AM, Fichte based, capacity to think. A cultural capacity to think, a different ability than the Native American to track in the deep forests, but to track the I Am in the forests of the Spirit. Here a monster like Hitler was the response to the Munich I AM Steiner was holding onto as a solo Initiate. Here was Paul once more facing Rome. Here, buried in texts, upon heroic texts, are the record of Steiner's first blows to create space for human insight to go deeper than it has ever, EVER gone.

And here we have had the opportunity to hear from Peter Staudenmaier who knows nothing of Spirituality and is in the same mental framework as Ladenburg. Steiner's passion against this statement is the same passion, and clarity, we should have when confronted with such blatant, unresearched, ignorant crap. We have the tools, and we are either afraid to use them, or we haven't a bloody clue what Dr. Steiner was all about. Which is it?

R.S.

"...is it not a disgrace if we have to hear a sentence like the following, which was pronounced by the Breslau chemist Albert Ladenburg, in a lecture at a recent (1903) Conference of scientists: "Do we know anything about a substratum of the soul? I have no such knowledge." After having made this confession, this same man continues: "What is your opinion concerning immortality? I believe that in regard to this question, more than in regard to any other, the wish is father to the thought, for I do not know a single scientifically proven fact which might serve as the basis for the belief in immortality."

"What would the learned gentleman say if we were confronted by a speaker who said: "I know nothing about chemical facts. I therefore deny the chemical laws, for I know not a single scientifically proven fact which might serve as the basis for these laws." Certainly, the professor would reply: "What do we care about your ignorance of chemistry? first study chemistry, then do your talking!" Professor Ladenburg does not know anything about a substratum of the soul; he, therefore, should not bother the world with the findings of his ignorance."

[Higher evolution is not racist]

Bradford comments;

Developing, perfecting and advancing means; gaining and earning insights into the workings of the etheric body, astral body and ego and also confronting etheric obstructions and child hood illnesses in the hereditary model. Overcoming dysfunctions is not gained by clinging to failed ideas of race, religion, blood, bad education, poor diet, and submerging the higher ego into religious creeds and habits that hinder the I AM from developing itself further.

Insights into your Etheric body are not readily supplied by the AMA. Healthy food is not always served in School lunches or packaged in supermarkets. You may be a RedNeck if...you continue to incarnate in racially prejudicial karmic connections or find yourself passed out weekly at some sports stadium. Evolution of the soul amounts to clear observation and distinction between dumb ass, destructive behavior, either religious or sports related; Or; struggling in your I Am with higher paradigms of the science of the human being, which are not beliefs, but facts of soul-spirit and body.
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From: Myaso
Date: Thu Apr 8, 2004 10:14 am
Subject: Re[2]: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] lies

Hello Peter,

Thursday, April 8, 2004, 7:56:21 PM, you wrote:

PS> Hi Deborah,
PS>
PS>
PS> lies are when I write something that I do not believe to be
PS> true. When I write something that you do not believe to be true, I
PS> am not lying. All you really mean is that my arguments about
PS> anthroposophy are erroneous.

I agree with Peter. He is not lying. He is really on the wrong way of thinking, and we can call him everything like short-minded etc. - but not a liar.

Let's respect people's points of view. But I would really like to see something that proves this point of view. Peter, I have not still seen anything like this. Your maximum hit was 15% with root races, but still not in the goal. I am sorry.

Best regards,
Myaso

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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Thu Apr 8, 2004 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: lies

Deborah writes:

Peter Staudenmeier writes lies.

As I said earlier, if Steiner is really "racist to the core" it should be possible to demonstrate this reality without quoting out of context, mistranslating or making things up. Once someone has demonstrated that they make things up (i.e. lie) I cannot see any reason to continue talking to them. I certainly can't see treating a person who writes lies as an authority on the content of the person they are misrepresenting!

Hear, hear Deborah!

If nobody listened to his rants, then he'd wind up talking to himself. Which is what he pretty much does anyway.

I think our list-mates have done a find job of exposing his astounding arrogance.

As Dottie once said:

The game is up.

Personally, I think he might suffer from a mild form of asperger syndrome:

http://www.asperger.org/asperger/asperger_as.htm

Asperger Syndrome is a developmental disorder falling within the autistic spectrum affecting two-way social interaction, verbal and nonverbal communication and a reluctance to accept change, inflexibility of thought and to have all absorbing narrow areas of interest. Individuals are usually extremely good on rote memory skills (facts, figures, dates, times etc.) many excel in math and science. There is a range of severity of symptoms within the syndrome,

Key Features
The main areas affected by Asperger Syndrome are:

. Social interaction
. Communication
. Narrow Interests / Preoccupation's
. Repetitive routines / rituals, inflexibility

They often use language in a slightly odd way and take literal meanings from what is read or heard. They are happiest with routines and a structured environment, finding it difficult to decide what to do they fall back on to their preferred activities. They love praise, winning and being first, but find loosing, imperfection and criticism very difficult to take. Bad behavior often stems from an inability to communicate their frustrations and anxieties.

Narrow Interests / Pre-occupations
One of the hallmarks of Asperger Syndrome is the child's preoccupation (or obsession) with certain topics, often on themes of transport - trains in particular-or computers, dinosaurs, maps etc. These pre-occupations, usually in intellectual areas change over time but not in intensity, and maybe pursued to the exclusion of other activities.

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