Oriana Fallaci calls out to Eurabia

 

From: lightsearcher1
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 4:29 pm
Subject: Oriana Fallaci calls out to Eurabia

New Book Calls Europe 'Province of Islam'

By ALESSANDRA RIZZO,
Associated Press Writer

ROME - (AP) A new book by controversial journalist Oriana Fallaci that hit bookstores here Monday accuses Europe of having sold its soul to what she describes as an Islamic invasion...

"Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam. And Italy is an outpost of that province, a stronghold of that colony," the book says.

"In each of our cities lies a second city: a Muslim city, a city run by the Quran. A stage in the Islamic expansionism."

Describing Europe as "Eurabia" — a mix of Europe and Arabia — the Italian writer said the continent "has sold itself and sells itself to the enemy like a prostitute."

Written in the blunt style that is Fallaci's trademark, the 278-page book claims the Catholic Church keeps silent even when its symbols are offended by Muslims and before such practices as polygamy and torture.

The current invasion, Fallaci writes, is not carried out only by the "terrorists who blow up themselves along with skyscrapers or buses" but also by "the immigrants who settle in our home, and who, with no respect for our laws, impose their ideas, their customs, their God."

The book is dedicated to the victims of the March 11 terror attacks in Madrid.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040405/ap_on_re_eu/italy_fallaci

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SPEAKING OF MADRID:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=10505_We_Will_Make_Blood_Flow_Like_Rivers

 

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From: dottie zold
Date: Mon Apr 5, 2004 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Oriana Fallaci calls out to Eurabia

Lightsearcher:

The book is dedicated to the victims of the March 11 terror attacks in Madrid.

How gross. How dare you and others bring in innocent victims to hide your hate filled racist writings.

Dottie

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 1:38 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Oriana Fallaci calls out to Eurabia

Oh My God!!

How is it possible to take seriously Oriana ???? (Here in Italy we stopped to do it more or less twenty years ago...) But... there are also interesting parallelism between present Oriana's obsession for Islam and WC-PLANs. for RS's "racism"...... Both of them act exactly as children of the Lie's Spirit. Both of them (Oriana and WCPLANS) are used to pervert quotes, references, facts in order to follow "perinde ac cadaver" their preconceived "ideas" and so on. ( I know that there should be much more to say but "remixing shit" is not a pleasant investigation..........).

Hi listmates we see here how Ahri's tools use more or less the same weapons... What a lack of creativity!!!

A.

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From: zapdingo
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 9:30 am
Subject: Oriana on Hitchcock

Andrea wrote:

Oh My God!!

How is it possible to take seriously Oriana ???? (Here in Italy we stopped to do it more or less twenty years ago...)

A long time ago I read a book with some of her interviews. She came across as very arrogant. There was, however, an interesting observation on Mr. Alfred Hitchcock. She said that her meeting with him made her realise that Mr. Hitchcock was in fact a bad, bad man, who took pleasure in scaring other people, and that his sadistic desire to terrify others was what propelled him to make his movies - which are, in my opinion, wonderful nevertheless.

Bryan

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Oriana Fallaci calls out to Eurabia

At 02:29 06.04.2004, Dottie wrote:

Lightsearcher:

The book is dedicated to the victims of the March 11 terror attacks in Madrid.

How gross. How dare you and others bring in innocent victims to hide your hate filled racist writings.

Lightsearcher strikes me as somewhat kooky. I haven't seen anything racist; his polemics are against Islam, not against any ethnic groups per se. It's one thing being conservative and hawkish and even fascist; it's quite another thing to feel the need to churn out ceaseless propaganda about liberals and leftists being sick and deranged and so on. Even when he quotes Bob Dylan, he has a political agenda in mind. "Neighborhood Bully" is a defense of Israel's militantism against its neighbors.

So I have a few questions for Lightsearcher: Was Jesus Christ a bleeding heart liberal when he bled for humanity out of compassion? Was Christ a sick leftists when he talked about turning the other cheek, doing good to those who persecute us and blessing those who curse us and so on? Was Christ "soft on evil" when he didn't recommend arresting and executing the sons of bitches, but instead allowed himself to be arrested and executed?

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: lightsearcher1
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 3:52 pm
Subject: Cordial reply to Tarjei question

--- Tarjei asked me several questions and I can, with his permission, let this one represent the main theme of those questions asked:

Was Christ "soft on evil" when he didn't recommend arresting and executing the sons of bitches, but instead allowed himself to be arrested and executed?

This is one of the main tendencies of the Left-ward leaning mind: the "Reddi-Whipping" -- or conflation -- of several distinct categories into one amorphous blob of goo.

A little threefold social order is in order...

The Christian imperative of turning the other cheek, of "doing good to one's enemy," applies primarily to the moral/cultural realm, not the political realm.

Each of us should strive ever and always to the standards of ethical self-less-ness on a one-to-one, I-and-Thou basis that the Lord exemplified for us.

But the political must not be conflated with the personal/moral/spiritual.

Yes, it is sometimes right render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

If a non-tyrannical culture -- that is regulated by the rule of law -- is attacked by a freedom-killing tyrant, you cannot -- and morally must not -- apply the Judeo-Christian "law of niceness," because it means the complete and utter end of YOU. -- You will no longer HAVE the opportunity to do good when Stalin's or Saddam's or Adolph's bazookas have blown your head off.

So when you have a loaded barrel pointed at your life and your freedom and the culture from which it arises, you have to use the alternate Golden Rule for keeping your body-heat above room temperature:

"Doeth unto your (Sorat-possessed Qu'ran-thumping, bomb-exploding) neighbor (to use the current case in point) before he doeth unto you."

When "at risk" is the chance that you will even be alive next month -- due to a Hamas holy-dude that wishes to turn you into Hamas hummus (let's say you live in Washington, D.C. or Manhattan for example), all abstruse debate as to whether Steiner said this or said that, or was a racist or not a racist (for God-sake give it a rest!), or "Survivor" is better than some other TV show, must then for the duration be put aside -- or at least be put into a more balanced context until the threat to your life and limb is removed.

Cordially,
El Eswahn (LS/1)

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From: holderlin66
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: Cordial reply to Tarjei question

lightsearcher wrote:

...is attacked by a freedom-killing tyrant, you cannot -- and morally must not -- apply the Judeo-Christian "law of niceness," because it means the complete and utter end of YOU.

Bradford comments;

You pathetic, betraying liar. Let me review for you who you dump in the trash can and why I cannot give you an inch on this issue. For starters you just dumped out the entire incarnation and meaning of Buddha. You betrayed the greatness of the Great Soul Ghandi. You took the Civil Rights efforts of dog gnarling racism of the efforts of Martin Luther King and trashed them. All these liberals, including St. Francis and Thoreau, as well as thousands of other, friggin, soft headed liberals have more courage in their toes than you have brains in your liver.

Lightsearcher, stick to great poetry, because you lack any sense of reality or common sense about Truth or the current global crisis. You have simplified things to suit your own little tweaky fundamentlistic shrunken soul. Colin Powell is the Truth you deserve you little, sidewinding, corrupt twinkie. I always love your Grail insights, but you so fall short of true Christian Ethics that you should be embarrassed. Which is almost like saying, here you are again, bare assed with the dumb asses like Rush Limbaugh who kindles, literally fires you up and kindles you. This nonsense you play with is so far off the charts, but the disgusting thing is, that there are millions like you. Christiian bigoted Cockroaches.

That doesn't mean I don't love you, for I do. I always have because the man that I have met is fine, but your bent opinions are off the charts in this case. I know, this helps your inspiration fires you up even more and that is fine, for you do have great insights in other areas, this one, just isn't one of your best.

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Apr 6, 2004 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Oriana Fallaci calls out to Eurabia

Tarjei:

I haven't seen anything racist;

I strongly disagree Tarjei. To post things and agree wholeheartedly that we have a problem with Muslims taking over our community is racist to me. I have lived with this problem my whole life regarding the whites saying the blacks were taking over their neighborhoods. I didn't know it was racist as I tended to understood why people felt that way in the beginning but then as I started to grow up I realized the ugliness that was going on and the unwilliningness to welcome neighbors into the fold.

If we did indeed welcome people versus watch them from afar the world and our neighborhoods might be in different shapes than they are today. It is even seen in the churches here in California. The black people are worried about the Mexicans taking over and all their children and so forth. It is in the same vein as Lightsearchers post.

I do not know how this can be considered not racist. I get the whole fascist or conservative and so forth point of view but these are excuses for the racism in my eyes. And it is way ugly. And I am way sick and tired of making excuses for people when they speak or support views like this and try to mask it as something else. It's ugly plain and simple.

Dottie

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Apr 7, 2004 12:32 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Cordial reply to Tarjei question

At 00:52 07.04.2004, El Eswahn wrote:

The Christian imperative of turning the other cheek, of "doing good to one's enemy," applies primarily to the moral/cultural realm, not the political realm.

So morality belongs to the cultural realm only, not to the economic and political realms? It is legitimate to practice unethical economics and brutal politics with police torture and so on because only people in the cultural realm, i.e. artists and teachers, need to behave themselves?

But the political must not be conflated with the personal/moral/spiritual.

I see. If a guy misbehaves, let the cop beat the son-of-a-bitch to death in the street and save the taxpayers some money. Leave morality and ethics to preachers and movie stars and school teachers.

Yes, it is sometimes right render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

What? Jesus was talking about money. Give money to Ceasar because the coins bear his picture. Are you conflating moral behavior with money?

Try again.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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