Racist is as Peter S Does

Stuff

From: winters_diana
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: stuff

Tarjei,

PS has said something to the effect that the reason why he continues to play his old tune incessantly

Tarjei, if I'm not mistaken, it was your wish to "lure" critics here, and you deliberately set some bait (which seems to be a pattern with you - demand we tell you our views, then howl that you've personally been badly done by). If I'm not mistaken you engineered this all on purpose.

What were you hoping would happen, exactly? I figured it was because you and Sune were always so upset that archives of the critics list are published twice - you've always seemed to feel this is unfair - and now that you are publishing these archives at your own web site as well, perhaps feel this evens the score somehow. But now that we're here you seem pretty sick of us :) and I'm getting the feeling people are unsubbing left and right, or at least threatening to, out of a desire not to read about the racial stuff anymore. So I'm just curious. Do you want critics here? critics are gonna say what critics say - critical stuff. I just looked at the list rules, and I can see that, oddly, I am on shaky ground making any kind of suggestion about list management (funny, since you can say anything else that you desire, but list management is off topic). Weird. Oh well. I'm just wondering, in an informal way, if this list wants critical discussion or would rather critics took a hike.

Diana

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: stuff

At 22:31 22.04.2004, Diana wrote:

So I'm just curious. Do you want critics here? critics are gonna say what critics say - critical stuff.

That's wonderful. My point is that it would be a lot more interesting if a so-called "critic" would play more then one track that turns out to be a blind alley.

I'm just wondering, in an informal way, if this list wants critical discussion or would rather critics took a hike.

Opinions are probably divided. Do you perceive the subscribers here to be the mere extensions of some list group soul?

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: stuff

Diana:

...and I'm getting the feeling people are unsubbing left and right, or at least threatening to, out of a desire not to read about the racial stuff anymore.

Ooooh Diana, it's the racial stuff we are afraid of?....please. You and Peter have not produced anything that points to Dr. Steiner being a racist or having a racial ideology. It's pretty ridiculous to keep debating with Peter as he just doesn't get it and it appears neither do you. But its the same all over the net with him and his personal dictionary and interpretations that boggle the discerning mind. You obviously want to keep defending him go ahead be our guest. But note if you can how you 'defend him' and it is okay but not for Steiner students to speak up for his works against such stupidity/ignorance as produced by Peter.

Dottie

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From: winters_diana
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: stuff

[Tarjei:]

That's wonderful. My point is that it would be a lot more interesting if a so-called "critic" would play more then one track that turns out to be a blind alley.

Well hey, my train runs on lots of tracks, I'll get back to Patrick eventually too, and I raised all kinds of stuff about children and media, but that seems to have drawn a lot of yawns as well.

[Diana:]

I'm just wondering, in an informal way, if this list wants critical discussion or would rather critics took a hike.

[Tarjei:]

Opinions are probably divided. Do you perceive the subscribers here to be the mere extensions of some list group soul?

I was just trying to avoid the only misstep that one can make here, apparently, the only rule one can break, which is not to talk about list management. I assume opinions are divided, I get the feeling you're basically in charge here even though there are no rules, just a ghost of a moderator so you can pretend you aren't one, and that certain other people are mad at you for allowing this critical stuff to go on. Oops, I'm talking about list management. Well, there's your excuse to kick me off if you needed one. :)

Diana

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From: winters_diana
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: stuff

[Dottie:]

Ooooh Diana, it's the racial stuff we are afraid of?....please.

Come on Dottie, play nice. I am replying in light of people starting to complain about these threads. Christine unsubbed, Frank is threatening to, I get the feeling others who used to post went away. I didn't say anyone was "scared." I'm just wondering what's going to happen next, just sorta curious, are critics going to be told to go away, do I want to go away? Not sure.

But note if you can how you 'defend him' and it is okay but not for Steiner students to speak up for his works against such stupidity/ignorance as produced by Peter.

I have never said it is not okay for Steiner students to speak up about anything, Dottie. I think it makes sense to defend someone who has been openly accused of being a racist here, when the plain fact is this is a revolting display of hypocrisy, every last single, solitary person reading this knows Peter is not a racist and my bet is not one of you is going to acknowledge this or acknowledge that Mike's titling of that thread was a vicious slur. You all think it is justified because your leader is being attacked, it's complete craven cowardice to remain silent about this.

Diana

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: stuff

At 22:31 22.04.2004, Diana wrote:

and I'm getting the feeling people are unsubbing left and right,

Your feeling is not a good source of statistics. The number of subscribers has been unchanged during the last few months, fluctuating between the upper eighties and the mid-nineties:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_tomorrow/members

It's like a casino gaming table: Players pick up their chips and leave the table (unsub); new players arrive; new lurkers raise their heads from the foggy anonymous deep mist between the Duces and the Nines. Watch out, you never know who is a double agent and who may be a cybertroll, a Joker. Also watch out for the Jack of Hearts:

Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts
by Bob Dylan

The festival was over, the boys were all plannin' for a fall,
The cabaret was quiet except for the drillin' in the wall.
The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down,
Anyone with any sense had already left town.
He was standin' in the doorway lookin' like the Jack of Hearts.

He moved across the mirrored room, "Set it up for everyone," he said,
Then everyone commenced to do what they were doin' before he turned their
heads.
Then he walked up to a stranger and he asked him with a grin,
"Could you kindly tell me, friend, what time the show begins?"
Then he moved into the corner, face down like the Jack of Hearts.

Backstage the girls were playin' five-card stud by the stairs,
Lily had two queens, she was hopin' for a third to match her pair.
Outside the streets were fillin' up, the window was open wide,
A gentle breeze was blowin', you could feel it from inside.
Lily called another bet and drew up the Jack of Hearts.

Big Jim was no one's fool, he owned the town's only diamond mine,
He made his usual entrance lookin' so dandy and so fine.
With his bodyguards and silver cane and every hair in place,
He took whatever he wanted to and he laid it all to waste.
But his bodyguards and silver cane were no match for the Jack of Hearts.

Rosemary combed her hair and took a carriage into town,
She slipped in through the side door lookin' like a queen without a crown.
She fluttered her false eyelashes and whispered in his ear,
"Sorry, darlin', that I'm late," but he didn't seem to hear.
He was starin' into space over at the Jack of Hearts.

"I know I've seen that face before," Big Jim was thinkin' to himself,
"Maybe down in Mexico or a picture up on somebody's shelf."
But then the crowd began to stamp their feet and the house lights did dim
And in the darkness of the room there was only Jim and him,
Starin' at the butterfly who just drew the Jack of Hearts.

Lily was a princess, she was fair-skinned and precious as a child,
She did whatever she had to do, she had that certain flash every time she
smiled.
She'd come away from a broken home, had lots of strange affairs
With men in every walk of life which took her everywhere.
But she'd never met anyone quite like the Jack of Hearts.

The hangin' judge came in unnoticed and was being wined and dined,
The drillin' in the wall kept up but no one seemed to pay it any mind.
It was known all around that Lily had Jim's ring
And nothing would ever come between Lily and the king.
No, nothin' ever would except maybe the Jack of Hearts.

Rosemary started drinkin' hard and seein' her reflection in the knife,
She was tired of the attention, tired of playin' the role of Big Jim's wife.
She had done a lot of bad things, even once tried suicide,
Was lookin' to do just one good deed before she died.
She was gazin' to the future, riding on the Jack of Hearts.

Lily washed her face, took her dress off and buried it away.
"Has your luck run out?" she laughed at him, "Well, I guess you must have
known it would someday.
Be careful not to touch the wall, there's a brand-new coat of paint,
I'm glad to see you're still alive, you're lookin' like a saint."
Down the hallway footsteps were comin' for the Jack of Hearts.

The backstage manager was pacing all around by his chair.
"There's something funny going on," he said, "I can just feel it in the air."
He went to get the hangin' judge, but the hangin' judge was drunk,
As the leading actor hurried by in the costume of a monk.
There was no actor anywhere better than the Jack of Hearts.

Lily's arms were locked around the man that she dearly loved to touch,
She forgot all about the man she couldn't stand who hounded her so much.
"I've missed you so," she said to him, and he felt she was sincere,
But just beyond the door he felt jealousy and fear.
Just another night in the life of the Jack of Hearts.

No one knew the circumstance but they say that it happened pretty quick,
The door to the dressing room burst open and a cold revolver clicked.
And Big Jim was standin' there, ya couldn't say surprised,
Rosemary right beside him, steady in her eyes.
She was with Big Jim but she was leanin' to the Jack of Hearts.

Two doors down the boys finally made it through the wall
And cleaned out the bank safe, it's said that they got off with quite a haul.
In the darkness by the riverbed they waited on the ground
For one more member who had business back in town.
But they couldn't go no further without the Jack of Hearts.

The next day was hangin' day, the sky was overcast and black,
Big Jim lay covered up, killed by a penknife in the back.
And Rosemary on the gallows, she didn't even blink,
The hangin' judge was sober, he hadn't had a drink.
The only person on the scene missin' was the Jack of Hearts.

The cabaret was empty now, a sign said, "Closed for repair,"
Lily had already taken all of the dye out of her hair.
She was thinkin' 'bout her father, who she very rarely saw,
Thinkin' 'bout Rosemary and thinkin' about the law.
But, most of all she was thinkin' 'bout the Jack of Hearts.

Copyright © 1974 Ram's Horn Music

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: walkinsnotwelcome
Date: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: stuff

Tarjei wrote:

It's like a casino gaming table: Players pick up their chips and leave the table (unsub); new players arrive; new lurkers raise their heads from the foggy anonymous deep mist between the Duces and the Nines. Watch out, you never know who is a double agent and who may be a cybertroll, a Joker. Also watch out for the Jack of Hearts:

Well, I have to like that, especially the Loch Ness quality of the lurkers. Reminds me of that movie The Fog, or maybe something out of Lovecraft (Dagon). I myself assume everyone on this list to be at least a triple agent, Geminis probably extra. the primitive wallflower

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:06 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: stuff

At 23:57 22.04.2004, Diana wrote:

I was just trying to avoid the only misstep that one can make here, apparently, the only rule one can break, which is not to talk about list management.

It looks as if you're doing the opposite in order to brag on the WC about being unsubbed from the AT.

I assume opinions are divided, I get the feeling you're basically in charge here

Here's a piece of advice: Stop trusting those feelings of yours. So far, they have proven to be misleading, such as everybody unsubbing from the AT and so on, when in fact there's never been a higher number of subscriptions here than at present (94).

Another suggestion: If you're tired of this group, why not unsub yourself or adjust your status to "no email" instead of trying to push Sophia into nuking you by spreading rumors about list managament, which is considered sabotage ?

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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