Reading and
Falsehoods
why me?
From: Deborah
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:29 pm
Subject: why me?
Is it because I'm Jewish? Is it because I
went to school in Madison? Is it because I don't want to have
anything to do with him? Why does Peter keep putting things out
in my direction?
I do not read his posts. As soon as I come
to a Peter Staudenmeier post I skip on to the next one.
One citation mistake can be forgiven. Habitual
misuse of source material is not acceptable!
Cheers,
Deborah
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From: walkinsnotwelcome
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: why me?
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
Deborah wrote:
Is it because I'm Jewish? Is it because
I went to school in Madison? Is it because I don't want to have
anything to do with him? Why does Peter keep putting things out
in my direction?
Maybe because you're meant to Save Him, and
he knows this.
Larry
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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: why me?
Larry:
Maybe because you're meant to Save Him,
and he knows this.
Hey Larry, newsflash, nobody can save anybody...
you have to save your self... and guess from whom? Your self.
It's the matrix we got going on in this here life. Agents abound.
Dottie
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From: walkinsnotwelcome
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: why me?
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
dottie zold wrote:
Hey Larry, newsflash, nobody can save anybody...
you have to save your self... and guess from whom? Your self.
It's the matrix we got going on in this here life. Agents abound.
Dottie
Hey Dottie, your references to "matrix"
and "agents" are obscure to me. And have you gotten
to Blonde on Blonde yet? I figure Visions of Johanna and Sad-Eyed
Lady of the Lowlands ought to just about do it for you. - Larry
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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: why me?
Larry:
Hey Dottie, your references to "matrix"
and "agents" are obscure to me. And have you gotten
to Blonde on Blonde yet? I figure Visions of Johanna and Sad-Eyed
Lady of the Lowlands ought to just about do it for you. - Larry
Yeah, had a feeling you were out there. Why
not trying english so I can understand what you are saying here?
What are you wanting to say Larry?
Dottie
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:24 pm
Subject: Visions/Ghosts of Johanna: (why me?)
At 07:13 17.04.2004, Larry wrote:
Hey Dottie, your references to "matrix"
and "agents" are obscure to me. And have you gotten
to Blonde on Blonde yet? I figure Visions of Johanna and Sad-Eyed
Lady of the Lowlands ought to just about do it for you. - Larry
Johanna, wasn't that Joan Baez? Her 1975 song,
"Winds of the Old Days" seems to suggest it - 'Ghosts
of Johanna will visit you there':
WINDS OF THE OLD DAYS
(Words and Music by
Joan Baez)
The lady's adrift in a foreign
land
Singing on issues both humble and grand
A decade flew past her and there on the page
She read that the prince had returned to the stage
Hovering near treacherous waters
A friend saw her drifting and caught her
Unguarded fantasies flying too far
Memories tumbling like sweets from a jar
And take me down to the harbor
now
Grapes of the summer are low on the bough
Ghosts of my history will follow me there
And the winds of the old days will blow through my hair
Breath on an undying ember
It doesn't take much to remember
Those eloquent songs from the good old days
That set us to marching with banners ablaze
But reporters, there's no sense in prying
Our blue-eyed son's been denying
The truths that are wrapped in a mystery
The sixties are over so set him free
And take me down to the harbor
now
Grapes of the summer are low on the bough
Ghosts of my history will follow me there
And the winds of the old days will blow through my hair
Why do I sit the autumnal
judge
Years of self-righteousness will not budge
Singer or savior, it was his to choose
Which of us knows what was his to lose
Because idols are best when they're made of stone
A savior's a nuisance to live with at home
Stars often fall, heroes go unsung
And martyrs most certainly die too young
So thank you for writing the
best songs
Thank you for righting a few wrongs
You're a savage gift on a wayward bus
But you stepped down and you sang to us
And get you down to the harbor
now
Most of the sour grapes are gone from the bough
Ghosts of Johanna will visit you there
And the winds of the old days will blow through your hair
© 1975 Chandos Music
(ASCAP)
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: walkinsnotwelcome
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: why me?
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
dottie zold wrote:
Larry:
Hey Dottie, your references to "matrix"
and "agents" are obscure to me. And have you gotten
to Blonde on Blonde yet? I figure Visions of Johanna and Sad-Eyed
Lady of the Lowlands ought to just about do it for you. - Larry
Yeah, had a feeling you were out there.
Why not trying english so I can understand what you are saying
here? What are you wanting to say Larry?
Dottie
You said nobody can save anyone else, we have
to save ourselves from ourselves. And "that's the matrix
we got going on in this here life." Since a matrix is more
of an interconnected web, your meaning is obscure to me, I don't
get it. I also don't know what you meant by, "Agents abound".
And Blonde on Blonde is a Dylan album, Visions of J and Sad-Eyed
Lady being songs on it that I thought might appeal to you. This
is what I am wanting to say.
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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: Visions/Ghosts of Johanna: (why me?)
Tarjei:
Johanna, wasn't that Joan Baez? Her 1975
song, "Winds of the Old Days" seems to suggest it -
'Ghosts of Johanna will visit you there':
Hey Tarjei, is this about Bob Dylan? Great
words. d
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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: why me?
Larry:
You said nobody can save anyone else, we
have to save ourselves from ourselves. And "that's the matrix
we got going on in this here life." Since a matrix is more
of an interconnected web, your meaning is obscure to me, I don't
get it. I also don't know what you meant by, "Agents abound".
And Blonde on Blonde is a Dylan album, Visions of J and Sad-Eyed
Lady being songs on it that I thought might appeal to you. This
is what I am wanting to say.
I like the words to that song. They must have
had a grand thing going on or at least up and down.
I look at the matrix as an illusion. And agents
abound are those parts of my self that try to keep me in societies
good graces and have me bound to the illusion.
Dottie
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From: walkinsnotwelcome
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: Visions/Ghosts of Johanna: (why me?)
--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
Tarjei Straume wrote:
At 07:13 17.04.2004, Larry wrote:
Hey Dottie, your references to "matrix"
and "agents" are obscure to me. And have you gotten
to Blonde on Blonde yet? I figure Visions of Johanna and Sad-Eyed
Lady of the Lowlands ought to just about do it for you. - Larry
Johanna, wasn't that Joan Baez? Her 1975
song, "Winds of the Old Days" seems to suggest it -
'Ghosts of Johanna will visit you there':
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
I don't know, I've heard it was a reference
to her, maybe she would like to think so. It's hard to tell with
that guy. - Larry
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Visions/Ghosts of Johanna:
(why me?)
At 07:32 17.04.2004, Dottie wrote:
Hey Tarjei, is this about Bob Dylan? Great
words. d
Yes, it's from "Diamonds and Rust"
quoted and commented earlier by Bradford and me:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_tomorrow/message/3859
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_tomorrow/message/3861
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Peter Staudenmaier
Date: Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:13 pm
Subject: From Deborah to Dylan
I think this has been my favorite thread so
far, from Deborah's incomprehension to Dottie's incomprehension
via Dylan's lyrics. Anyway, Deborah wrote:
Is it because I'm Jewish? Is it because
I went to school in Madison? Is it because I don't want to have
anything to do with him? Why does Peter keep putting things out
in my direction?
Because you're on a public email list, remember?
I do not read his posts. As soon as I come
to a Peter Staudenmeier post I skip on to the next one.
Hmmm.... then how exactly did you figure out that my last post
had anything to do with you?
One citation mistake can be forgiven. Habitual
misuse of source material is not acceptable!
Indeed. That's why I pointed out your "misuse" of Steiner's
'folk souls' book. You claimed that the book doesn't include
the passages I cited. I showed that it does include those passages.
I have no idea whether this sort of thing is habitual with you,
but it was an obvious error on your part, and I thought it worthy
of notice. That's what critical public discussion is for.
Yours for reading comprehension,
Peter
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