Sacred Ground

From: dottie zold
To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:01 PM
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Sacred Ground

Hi Kim, Rick and All,

In looking at these mysteries we have been discussing a few thoughts come to mind. One being the concept of 'take your shoes off you are on sacred ground' comments in the Bible. From reading The Temple Legend it occurs to me that it is when one is in revelation that one becomes aware of the Mother Earth and that we are walking on Sacred Ground. I have always wondered about this saying and couldn't figure it out. Does anyone have a thought regarding what this saying means?

Another thought pertains to the Washing of the Feet mystery. It seems that Magdalene washed, and a few other women in Mark and Luke who I believe to be one and the same, the feet of Jesus. He in turns washes the feet of the disciples. And in this he claims 'if I do not do this you will have no part in me'. Which leads me once again to the Magdalene; that Jesus will have no part of what she offers if she does not do this for him as well. It can not be one without the other I believe. The idea that she annoints the Christ is a real big deal. The word annointed one is the Christ. Who is she who is the annointer? Just another woman? I think not. Nor do I think this ritual of washing the feet is anything to cast aside. Especially not when Jesus claims those about him will have nothing to do with him if he does not perform this ritual.

How is it that she is aware of his passing and the others are not? She just knows. There are no questions, there are not even any remarks that he knows of this woman in the Luke and Mark chapters. She just does her thing.

And the reason I am contemplating the seriousness of this ritual is that I have been all over the net looking at the Last Supper paintings from around the world. And most of them have one thing in common: either they show the one disciple in very feminine forms or they show the water pitcher standing near by. It is quite obvious in the Da Vinci Last Supper as well as the Blake painting. If she is not there in human form there is a symbol for her.

The website which has many other paintings can be found at http://biblia.com/jesusm/passion.htm#Magdalene

Sincerely,
Dottie

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From: Richard Distasi
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:04 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Sacred Ground

dottie,

I'm sure there is a lot more to the issue of the Washing of the Feet that I'm going to say here. However, simply put, I would first have to look at it as an act of sacrifice from one to another. He who would be the greatest among you must be the servant of all. Christ was the greatest among those that He was with but He came as their servant as well. He came to make a sacrifice for all of us. If He didn't do this we would not be able to have a part of Him. I would have to go back into all that Steiner had said in regard to the meaning of this stage of initiation which is recognized as the washing of the feet. If I recall correctly he mentioned that it is an awakening that there are kingdoms below us who serve us so that we as human Beings can advance ourselves spiritually. This recognition must become a part of our awareness.

As far as removing one's sandals/shoes because one is on sacred ground may be an expression that in an initiation one has moved into a higher realm and that these realms are deserving of our deepest reverence. It may also be a reference to the earth as well as something that is to be considered as sacred. I think Emil Bock goes into all of this in his book, "Moses".

rick distasi

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From: dottie_z
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:19 am
Subject: Re: Sacred Ground

Dear Rick,

What I find in this sacred ground thought is a very deep meditation. I find my self in my heart and absolute love which is connected deeply to Mother Earth. I can 'feel' what the saying 'take your shoes off you are on holy ground' really means. And it is so stunning. I can feel it even as I write this letter. I believe once we are connected to the Mother and maybe the Father we feel to bow our heads and our whole body caves within in a sense. It's like a bliss filled moment of awareness which is deeply connected to the Mother. This is how it feels to me. We actually have no need of shoes in a funny way when the body caves in.

I think I am going to have to reread Genesis to find Abel.

Love,
Dottie

Rick wrote:
As far as removing one's sandals/shoes because one is on sacred ground may be an expression that in an initiation one has moved into a higher realm and that these realms are deserving of our deepest reverence. It may also be a reference to the earth as well as something that is to be considered as sacred. I think Emil Bock goes into all of this in his book, "Moses".

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From: Richard Distasi
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:29 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sacred Ground

dottie,

Your thoughts here bring to mind that the earth is as a Eucharist. Since the moment that the blood of Christ flowed from Golgotha it is in a condition of transubstantiation.

rick distasi

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From: dottie_z
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: Sacred Ground

Rick wrote:
Your thoughts here bring to mind that the earth is as a Eucharist. Since the moment that the blood of Christ flowed from Golgotha it is in a condition of transubstantiation.

Hi Rick,

I find this sacred ground with Moses and then with Miriam his sister. I don't recall it in the NT or anywhere else at this moment.

Dottie

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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:43 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Sacred Ground

On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 07:04, Richard Distasi wrote:

dottie,

I'm sure there is a lot more to the issue of the Washing of the Feet that I'm going to say here. However, simply put, I would first have to look at it as an act of sacrifice from one to another. He who would be the greatest among you must be the servant of all. Christ was the greatest among those that He was with but He came as their servant as well. He came to make a sacrifice for all of us. If He didn't do this we would not be able to have a part of Him. I would have to go back into all that Steiner had said in regard to the meaning of this stage of initiation which is recognized as the washing of the feet. If I recall correctly he mentioned that it is an awakening that there are kingdoms below us who serve us so that we as human Beings can advance ourselves spiritually. This recognition must become a part of our awareness.

Dear Rick,

You can get a lot of details about the Washing of the Feet, as a Path of Initiation, in Tomberg's Inner Development, which takes up a careful examination of the Christian-Rosicrucian Path of Initiation, aka, the Seven Stages of the Passion of Christ (washing the feet, the scourging, the crowning with thorns, the carrying of the cross, the crucifixion, the entombment, and the resurrection). These are outlined in John, and represent, to my thinking at any rate, the Way of John (a Way of gnosis), as against the Way of Paul (a Way of Faith).

The Seven Stages appear in our biographies as life experiences, with Washing the Feet involving taking up humbling selfless work, like Dottie's work with street people and so forth.

warm regards,
joel

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From: dottie_z
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Sacred Ground

Joel wrote:
The Seven Stages appear in our biographies as life experiences, with Washing the Feet involving taking up humbling selfless work,

Dear Joel and Rick,

Who else in the Bible went through these seven stages? And what about the Old Testament? It seems there are quite a few personalities being lame, blind and a few other recognizable malaties. I am thinking this is what Solome danced to in the Temple and that Johns sacrifice was intended to show us, he too went through this seven stages and it is through the Mother as she is the one who was the catalyst through the 'beheading'.

Joel, your words call to mind something Catherine said a while back about us all being the Beloveds. I have just come across a thought which actually allows us to call the spirit within, the Beloved, once we attain initiation or understanding of our true heritage. What strikes me about this is that there is not only one Beloved, as Catherine hinted at before rather, and this is actually my opinion and may not run straight with hers, that when we invite Sophia and or Christ, (I am not sure it if is one or both) are at one with her, (ourselves) we then become the Beloved as well.

Sincererly,
Dottie

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From: pkleonard
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: Sacred Ground

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Joel Wendt wrote:

On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 07:04, Richard Distasi wrote:

dottie,

I'm sure there is a lot more to the issue of the Washing of the Feet that I'm going to say here. However, simply put, I would first have to look at it as an act of sacrifice from one to another. He who would be the greatest among you must be the servant of all. Christ was the greatest among those that He was with but He came as their servant as well. He came to make a sacrifice for all of us. If He didn't do this we would not be able to have a part of Him. I would have to go back into all that Steiner had said in regard to the meaning of this stage of initiation which is recognized as the washing of the feet. If I recall correctly he mentioned that it is an awakening that there are kingdoms below us who serve us so that we as human Beings can advance ourselves spiritually. This recognition must become a part of our awareness.

Dear Rick,

You can get a lot of details about the Washing of the Feet, as a Path of Initiation, in Tomberg's Inner Development, which takes up a careful examination of the Christian-Rosicrucian Path of Initiation, aka, the Seven Stages of the Passion of Christ (washing the feet, the scourging, the crowning with thorns, the carrying of the cross, the crucifixion, the entombment, and the resurrection). These are outlined in John, and represent, to my thinking at any rate, the Way of John (a Way of gnosis), as against the Way of Paul (a Way of Faith).

This is also discussed by Emil Bock in THREE YEARS: "The Washing of the Feet is, as it were, the last of the parables, enacted, not merely spoken."

More on pg 222

Paulina

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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Sacred Ground

Hello Rick, Dottie et al,

Rick wrote:

If I recall correctly he mentioned that it is an awakening that there are kingdoms below us who serve us so that we as human Beings can advance ourselves spiritually. This recognition must become a part of our awareness.

In light of what Paulina & I were discussing about animals, I've got to remember this when I'm cleaning the litter boxes!!! (I'm NOT being facetious!!! I need to remember to think of it as a service, rather than a *!%# chore!!)

: ) Christine

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From: golden3000997
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sacred Ground

Has anyone seen the move "The Education of Little Tree"? When the little boy goes to live with his grandparents (the grandmother is Native American) 1930s, Tennessee mountains, one of the very first thing she does is make him a pair of soft moccasins to replace the "clobbers" or hard shoes of the white man.

Very good movie, by the way!

: ) Christine

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From: pkleonard
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: Sacred Ground

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, golden3000997 wrote:

Has anyone seen the move "The Education of Little Tree"? When the little boy goes to live with his grandparents (the grandmother is Native American) 1930s, Tennessee mountains, one of the very first thing she does is make him a pair of soft moccasins to replace the "clobbers" or hard shoes of the white man.

I saw it, Christine; liked it very much.

However, I am not one who thinks that Native Americans hold the key to what we are called to take up as the task in the Consciusness Soul Age anymore than it is possible to take up the Eleusinian Mysteries now. Different times, different paths. I think what my race did to the Native American indians was in excusable, espcially removing the children and sending them away to the white man's schools. Horrible, horrible. This is something that really gets to me. The same thing happened in AU and NZ to the indigenous people there. Recently saw a movie about three little aborigine girls back in the 1920s, who, after having been removed from their families and placed in the 'white man's school' ran away and traveled by foot along what was called the Rabbit Fence, an unbelieveable distance. Two of the three made it home, but, all were eventually retaken, captured really, and sent back to the 'white man's school'. The little girls were very old women when this film was made (sorry I don't recall the title) and two of them were shown at the end of the movie. I just felt ashamed listening to them (and I carry Cherokee blood from my paternal gradmother)

Paulina

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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sacred Ground

On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 18:13, pkleonard wrote:

However, I am not one who thinks that Native Americans hold the key to what we are called to take up as the task in the Consciusness Soul Age anymore than it is possible to take up the Eleusinian Mysteries now. Different times, different paths.

Dear Paulina,

It is not about taking up the path of the Saturn Mysteries, but about acknowledging and honoring their actual spiritual presence in this land.

My own research and meetings with Native shamans has led me to see that their Way is at rest in the Hanged Man of the Tarot, and really cannot go forward from there (the Will is sacrificed to the Celestial). At the same time they are the spiritual protectors of this Place, and I do not believe any new Sun Mysteries can truly be inaugurated here without both an inner connection which acknowledges these realities, and one which also takes place in the social.

This is a different situation from Europe, where the old mysteries were no longer living. Here in Columbia (the true name of America), Native Mysteries are still active and present, so much so that one frequently encounters their acknowledgment (through their own supersensible connections) of Christ as healer and Earth Spirit.

This also has to include the understanding of the social wisdom which they have acquired in a most practical fashion over many many generations. I do not believe we can go into the social future, without penetrating their Ways of Life with our thinking, as a necessary first step. It is not so much that these Ways need to be imitated, but rather it is my experience that their contemplation leads quite directly to some very wise questions.

I am soon going into a new "business", which will involve giving seminars (with a partner) on the Four Forms of Love (Agape - selfless love, Storge - nurturing love, Phileo - brotherly love or comradeship, and Eros - erotic and sensual love) and the need for understanding these as we proceed to found a New Civilization at the Dawn of the Third Millennium.

I would know nothing on an experiential level of unfallen Eros, were it not for a relationship with a Native American woman. American social culture is filled with the influence of fallen Eros, and as a young man I was shown no wisdom concerning this most human art. It was only with the grace given gift of this woman, that I was awakened to the reality of unfallen Eros as a natural human impulse. In addition she revealed to me how it is that this fundamental power, in which women play an essential and indispensable role, is contained and shaped into its proper relationship to the whole through the social life of the community as that surrounds and supports the couplings and the marriages.

All of this social understanding, of the Saturn Mysteries, is a wise knowledge that is crucial to our thinking as we consciously take up the questions posed by the need for the founding of a New Civilization.

warm regards,
joel

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From: Richard Distasi
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:27 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Sacred Ground

Joel,

Thanks for the reference and adding more to this discussion. Humbling selflessness seems to be a very timely pursuit at this time of the year.

rick distasi

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From: Richard Distasi
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:08 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sacred Ground

Paulina et al,

Bock also adds about the Washing of the Feet:

"It teaches Love as the ultimate purpose of Christ's Gospel."

[The Three Years; page 222]

rd

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From: golden3000997
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Sacred Ground

Also, Rene spoke a few times about how our feet carry us to our destiny (Soul= Sole). Maybe in washing the feet of the disciples, Christ was making visible the washing away of the accumulated dirt of our past karma.

 

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