Satan is bound at the present time!

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Feb 2, 2004 1:13 pm
Subject: Satan is bound at the present time!

Lazarus-John the Apocalyptist says:

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
- Revelation 20:1-3

And Rudolf Steiner says:

In a certain sense the Beast has been overcome as far as the outer physical world is concerned. It has been overcome by the way it is possible to confront materialism with a spiritual view of the world. In a certain sense Satan is bound at the present time. But he will become unbound again. Satan is bound, and those who see what matters in evolution know that he is bound. For if satan were not bound at present, then all those things would come about that could mean the full outpouring of the phials of wrath. If Satan were not bound, there would be seen in the external world in the most horrible way how this is connected with the materialistic attitude and way of life on earth. Profoundest inner cynicism would proclaim materialism to be the truth, and this would arouse such greedy desire in the unbound Satan that one would see this materialistic attitude and way of life and the way ahrimanic powers seize on it, as the most horrible, the most frightful diseases.

If Satan were not bound, one would have to speak of materialism not merely as an attitude and way of life but as being the most evil of diseases. Instead of this, people make their way in life with the cynicism and frivolity of materialism, even religious materialism, and nothing befalls them. That nothing befalls them is due solely to the fact that Satan is bound while God is still giving human beings a chance to find their way to the spirit without falling prey to Satan. If Satan were here now, there would be many a teacher in one creed or another that had fallen for materialism who would present a frightful, a terrible sight to humanity. The inner picture pointing to the possible disease of materialism, the leprosy of materialism that would be there if Satan were not bound is indeed a most terrible one.

There is no other context except that of the Book of Revelation in which someone with spiritual responsibility towards this knowledge would bring up this picture. I myself would not use the expression 'the leprosy of materialism' in any other context except here where I have linked it to the Book of Revelation. As one finds one's way into the Book of Revelation one does have these frightful pictures before one's eyes which do indeed represent a spiritual reality.

- "The Book of Revelation and the Work of the Priest" (Lecture 10, Dornach
14 Sept 1924, GA 346 )

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: dottie zold
Date: Mon Feb 2, 2004 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Satan is bound at the present time!

Dear Tarjei,

Please excuse my ignorance but could you tell me who we are referring to when we say Satan? What particular being are we talking about? Lucifer, Ahriman or another?

Thanks,
Dottie

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Feb 3, 2004 2:26 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Satan is bound at the present time!

At 05:03 03.02.2004, Dottie wrote:

Dear Tarjei,

Please excuse my ignorance but could you tell me who we are referring to when we say Satan? What particular being are we talking about? Lucifer, Ahriman or another?

Ahriman. In the Apocalypse cycle to the priests, RS seems to adapt certain expressions to more conventional theology, or it may be simply that he is sticking more closely to John's text. But regardless, it struck me that he is using a mode of expression to describe Satan/Ahriman in this context (about the comets and planetary orbits and Michael) that is almost identical to how he described this Being in the April 1922 lecture, "Exoteric And Esoteric Christianity," where he says:

"Ahriman is a being who does not belong to our hierarchy. Ahriman comes into the stream of evolution from another direction. If we tolerate Ahriman in the evolution of the Earth, if we allow him a share in it, he brings us death, and with it, the intellect, and we can take up in the human being death and intellect. Ahriman knows death, because he is at one with the Earth and has trodden paths which have brought him into connection with the evolution of the Earth. He is an initiate, a sage of death, and for this reason he is the ruler of the intellect. The gods had to reckon with Ahriman - if I may express it in this way. They had to say: the evolution cannot proceed without Ahriman. It is only a question of admitting Ahriman into the evolution. But if Ahriman is admitted and becomes the lord of death and, consequently, of the intellect too, we forfeit the Earth, and Ahriman, whose sole interest lies in permeating the Earth with intellect, will claim the Earth for himself. The gods faced the great problem of losing to a certain extent their rule over the Earth in favour of Ahriman. "
- Das Sonnenmysterium von Tod und Auferstehung (Dornach, 2 April, 1922, GA 211)
( Complete lecture: http://www.uncletaz.com/exoeso.html )

Notice the expression "trodden paths" alien to the earth. In the previously quoted excerpt from the apocalypse cycle to the priests two and a half years later, he says:

"Satan is an exalted being who, however, treads another path than those that can be trodden on the earth. The Beast and the False Prophet are powers who seduce human beings, who have the will to tempt humanity on to the wrong paths both morally and intellectually. The power, dear friends, whom we mean when we talk of the fall of Satan, this power has quite other plans. He not only wants to throw humanity off course but he also wants to do this to the earth as a whole. From the point of view of human beings and of the earth this power is a terrible adversary of God."
- "The Book of Revelation and the Work of the Priest" (Lecture 11, Dornach,
15 Sept 1924, GA 346 )

You see, I can do that 'textual analysis' trick too, when it's called for :)

It leaves a few riddles though. If Ahriman is a Being totally alien to the Earth evolution and to the Progressive Hierarchies, why is he described as a fallen Archai? My take on this is that Ahriman/Satan has not fallen from the progressive hierarchies like Lucifer, but that he has the power, rank, that is equivalent to that of the Archai. Interestingly, The Asuras are retarded Beings of the Hierarchy of the Archai and carry the very name once attributed to this Hierarchy.

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Tue Feb 3, 2004 4:21 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Satan is bound at the present time!

Hi Tarjei,

I think we have a problem with higher and lower beings within the different kinds of 'evil' hierarchies. Lucifer is defined as af fallen Archangel from the Sun cycle, a brother to Christ. But the luciferic beings is fallen Angels from the Moon cycle. In the same way is ahrimanic beings fallen Angels from the Sun period.

The alianess is because the ahrimanic forces is from the Sun cycle, and not the Moon cycle. The ahrimanic forces work indirecly through the luciferic forces.

From Manifestations of Karma, Lecture 7:

These beings who played the same part with regard to the Angeloi that to-day the luciferic beings play with regard to ourselves were the ahrimanic beings which, during the whole of the Sun evolution, remained behind as did the luciferic beings during the Moon evolution.
http://www.southerncrossreview.org/26/karma7.htm

Kim

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Tue Feb 3, 2004 8:09 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Satan is bound at the present time!

Hi all,

excuse me if I jump in but we have discussed a lot (myself and my Italian anthro-friends) about it, mainly the "exact position" of the Evil's powers inside the Hierarchical cosmos.

As usual Steiner never gave a definite and static insight about it ,and we have the task to throw OUR OWN light on it.

This light in my own case is feeble but I'll try the same to give a little contribution

Well in my opinion those beings are, in their cosmic origin, inside EACH EVERY Hierarchy, from Upwards to Downwards (From Thrones to Angels, with exclusion of Seraphim and Cherubim , since we have no notice of some "fall" concerning those Loftiest Powers.

So we have the picture of a Divine Trinity (Father, Son, Spirit) Each of Them acting mainly in one of the Three Hierarchies' Groups ( and here we have the Foundation Stone Meditation as a main meditative path of cognition ) and a Devil's Trinity marked by deep diffrences among Absolute Evil (Asuras), Evil (Ahriman-Satan) and Perverted Light (Lucipher).

Obviuosly when Steiner speakiing about Ahriman talks about "diffreent streams of Eviolution" he's describing something impossible to detect also for goodwill men and able to be investigated only by the higher Initiate.

How those Evil's power are able to be transformed in Evolution's helper by the means of the "alliance" between Mankind and Michael-Christ: is precisely our task.

Let me remember here the powerful "Imagination" pictured un J. Ben Aharon 1993's book that, just linked with the "Foundation Stone" quoted above, tells us the core of this "story"....

Andrea the Italian

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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Feb 3, 2004 11:11 am
Subject: Re: Satan is bound at the present time!

Tarjei wrote:

It leaves a few riddles though. If Ahriman is a Being totally alien to the Earth evolution and to the Progressive Hierarchies, why is he described as a fallen Archai? My take on this is that Ahriman/Satan has not fallen from the progressive hierarchies like Lucifer, but that he has the power, rank, that is equivalent to that of the Archai. Interestingly, The Asuras are retarded Beings of the Hierarchy of the Archai and carry the very name once attributed to this Hierarchy.

Hey Tarjei,

Thanks for the quotes. A few years back I had a vision of how Ahriman works from the beginning in a sense. He keeps gaining on the stem of the plant as the Christ is forming but Lucifer/Michael? comes in from the other side always to overcome Ahriman: Christ the seed first, Lucifer growing second and then Ahriman from the left from my view. But Ahriman is overcome each time. It was what allowes me to say 'we have overcome'.

If it is said that Ahriman is not of the hiearchies where did Ahriman come from? See, I sense Ahriman as something outside of humanity and even the cosmos but that does not seem to be a possibility. I wonder where Ahriman enters and when and how? At what point does Ahriman enter. I sense Lucifer with us within this sphere along with the Christ but it seems Ahriman enters differently. Have you contemplated how and where he enters and when?

Bottom line is if Ahriman was created as part of our reality wouldn't that mean it was something within us and part of what we are to overcome within the realm of all we need to accomplish for evolutions sake? And the more we fight it and call it evil the more we do not understand the reality and how Ahriman must be overcome?

I am thinking of a book I am now reading by Thomas Merton called The Way of Chuang Tzu. It is an absolutely fascinating book. While reading I sense the questions Mike asks within himself and presents us here on list. It seems the more we fight or deny a thing or even fight it the more it is attached to us in a way. We must do a think because it is the thing to do versus making the thing we counter through our actions wrong.

page 23:

"Chuang Tzu believes that the whole concepts of happiness and unhappiness is ambiguous from the start, since it is situated in the world of objects. This is no less true of more refined concepts like virtue, justice, and so on. In fact, it is especially true of "good and evil, or "right and wrong. From the moment they are treated as "objects to be attained", these valuses lead to delusion and alienation. Therefore Chuang Tzu agrees with the paradox of Lao Tzu, "When all the world recongized good a good, it becomes evil because it becomes something that one does not have and which one must constanly be pursuing until, in effect, it becomes unattainable."

This writing of Chuang Tzu is a further evolution of who we are disccuing while looking at the Lucifer of 3000 B.C. It seems it holds no line of good and evil as it would be looking at something outside of oneself. I find a direct correlation to the concepts expressed in this book as I do while reading Dr. STeiner work and participating in the excercizes therein. If we do these excerzises while doing our everyday life we come to the very best of what the Lucifer and Anthroposophy streams has to offer: Freedom with a capitol F.

Suddenly I have to go,

Dottie

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:26 am
Subject: Re: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Satan is bound at the present time!

At 17:09 03.02.2004, Andrea wrote:

Well in my opinion those beings are, in their cosmic origin, inside EACH EVERY Hierarchy, from Upwards to Downwards (From Thrones to Angels, with exclusion of Seraphim and Cherubim , since we have no notice of some "fall" concerning those Loftiest Powers.

The highest hierarchies involved in the Fall appears to be the Mights, the Spirits of Motion. Check this out:

http://www.uncletaz.com/origfreed.html

" In the time between the Jupiter and the Mars development - if I dare express myself in trivial words - a number of Beings from the sphere of the Mights or Spirits of Motion were detached; they were placed in such a manner within the course of evolution that, instead of helping it onwards, they had to put hindrance in its way. Thus the deeds of - if I may coin the word - "adversely commanded" Mights were thrown athwart the course of evolution. For the ruling world-powers of the Hierarchies said to themselves: "Never could that arise which has to arise if the way were always smooth. Greater things must take place." "
- "The Spiritual Hierarcies", Dusseldorf, Lecture 10, April 18, 1909.

Of course new questions arise whenever we read something as astounding as this. Where did those ruling world-powers get this idea from - that they would command the Mights to rebel in order to create freedom and independence? Did this idea just evolve in them?

Incidentally, I would really like to get this entire series out, because the beginning of Lecture 1 is Steiner just the way I like him best:

"This course of lecture will take us into the high spiritual regions - we shall be led from the earth, where we live, not only into the wide physical spaces of our universe, but also be uplifted to those spiritual worlds, from which this whole physical universe has derived its origin."

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:59 am
Subject: R: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Satan is bound at the present time!

Dear Tarjei.

unfortunately I have at hand no written ref. about my own statement. It has his source is some oral communication given in Rome, during 1970s, by an Italian Spiritual Teacher.

(At last we can ourselves imagine that in our evolution there is a Good Trinity (Father, Son. Spirit) and a "Evil" Trinity (666, Ahriman, Lucifer) but they cannot be at all at the same level ! While God is absolute Good there cannot exist something like "absolute Evil"!!)

What else? We are here at the core of the deepest mysteries of Evolution......

Andrea

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:02 am
Subject: Re: R: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Satan is bound at the present time!

At 18:59 25.02.2004, Andrea wrote:

Dear Tarjei.

unfortunately I have at hand no written ref. about my own statement. It has his source is some oral communication given in Rome, during 1970s, by an Italian Spiritual Teacher.

(At last we can ourselves imagine that in our evolution there is a Good Trinity (Father, Son. Spirit) and a "Evil" Trinity (666, Ahriman, Lucifer) but they cannot be at all at the same level ! While God is absolute Good there cannot exist something like "absolute Evil"!!)

What else? We are here at the core of the deepest mysteries of Evolution......

The way I understand it, and what I actually believe, is that evil is something primarily created by human beings. We ourselves are responsible for evil. Fallen Spirits are in themselve not evil although they are selfish in the sense that they want to manipulate evolution to fit their own plans. When human beings succumb to the deceptions of such Fallen Spirits, evil is often the result, and the Fallen Spirits do nothing to prevent this side-effect so to speak as long as it serves their own ends. But they are not evil in themselves; that is a very difficult thing to say about higher cosmic beings, gods.

I'm not so sure about Sorat the Sun-Demon however; RS says that this power is capable of leading people into unspeakable, unimaginable evil in the future. That is a deeper study that I have not yet quite grasped. But Lucifer is redeemable; Ahriman is an alien who has given us the cold intellect without which we would not be able to think the way we do. But I also recall RS saying on several occasions that it is not accurate to say that Ahriman, or Satan, is evil in the human sense of the word. Evil is a human experience.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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