A link for Dottie and whoever interested/ Stars/ Beaming Up/ Dottie/ Hypatia/ Myth and legend/ Judas

 

From: Danny F.
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:33 am
Subject: A link for Dottie and whoever interested/ Stars

Many of Corelli's books, and a lot more at:

http://arthursclassicnovels.com/

Or how Stars-Gazers end being Fairy Talers;
Such as a Tycho de Brahe to a George Macdonald;
To reckon the obvious assimilation to Herzoloid(sp?).

And to quote myself a once earlier quoted: "Fascinating"...

Danny Boy

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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] A link for Dottie and whoever interested/ Stars

Danny wrote:

http://arthursclassicnovels.com/

Or how Stars-Gazers end being Fairy Talers;
Such as a Tycho de Brahe to a George Macdonald;
To reckon the obvious assimilation to Herzoloid(sp?).

Danny, you are the greatest. Seriously. I need you to pull me up and out of this Peter conversation please:)

I just started reading Barabbas and she does have a way with words doesn't she? This whole tale on the man who's life was given free in place of Jesus is absolutely a very provacative thought in the sense that I do not know if anyone really looks at what this particular mystery means. And you can feel his heart the minute she discusses this man and goodeness when he sees the Lord who will die in his stead one can feel his urgencey to say 'what are you doing, you must stop, please stop.

Beam me up Danny,

Dottie

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From: danifyou
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:00 am
Subject: Stars/ Beaming Up/ Dottie

Hi Dottie,

I have read with interest your message
About Steiner and what you sensed
Regarding a past Jewish incarnation of his.
How great in fact would be the ridiculous,
Ô so tremendous! of spending years
Of your life writing a book about a guy
Like Steiner, supposedly anti-Jew, while
He himself was before known as Abraham.
Would that not be amazing proof of the errings
Of the Intellectual Soul in the Closedness -
Dark place of the Skull, messed up/at Variance
With the Factual Spiritual World -
Trapped in games of cleverness
And for what sake please the exercice?...

Anyway, regarding the "beam me up" Danny.
I have an idea of a real problem concerning
Us all and who needs Wisdom of the Heart
For a Solution that leads us to a Better
Than before as a result of our Freedom -
Tiz great, by the Power of Self we can
Lift the whole Earth and it's inhabitants
To the Original Place Eternal of Deathlessness
Through the very Striving of our Core-Essential
Beingness Primal Re-Suscitated
By the Christ's Deed(s) at the Turning Point.
(World Tableau taken and *CROSS*?...
How to explain "taking the sins
Of the world" and becoming a Lord of Karma?)

You are quite right when you say that Sophia
Is the Future. While the Moon is Axis Central
Of the Pass Over or not to the Higher us.
I explain. Bradford spoke of Kundry in a post
Very recent. And there is a Major Key
Being question at the same time, "how
Do we enact a Reversal, a Transformation
Back to Heaven while we have an ASTRAL
Body infected by LUCIFER? I consent
That Salome is Beautiful to the Senses,
But hey, go in the ASTRALITY of the problem
And lo you get the Witch to appear before your inner eye!
And this is a true persona to encounter!
Have I not had the name given by Bradford
That I would not have got so early the greater
Meaning of the "dream" Real Occurence
One day a summer near to my 18 years old
To meet this being by the many olympic pools
Receiving a full blast in the brain of sparks
Constituting a spell making me partially lose
My mind by the 'What Ails Thee' Emotional;
Karmic Conflicts of the condition of Mankind
Itself rocketed in my Melancholic Soul back then!

The 14 years old and onward no more Pure
Reflection of the Sun in the body Etheric;
Making place instead to carnal association
Leading to sexual impulse most Kama, the course on!

Have ye heard of those who remain teenager all their life?
Tiz the case of Legions, Many my friend!
And this is not because it gets Masked
By the Dour face so-called "adult" that it vanishes...
Wonder where come from the expression 'Crooked'?
Walk on the street and gaze gently at people...
What will you see often? The Rictus!
And depending to the degree it manifest;
You can judge if it has gone beyond
The Double to the Nastier Cyanidian Asurian.

Call it the Amalgamate of Lucifer and Ahriman;
It will Darken into a Monolithical Absence of MAN;
Twill be the Monotone of no Generosity nor Warmth.

But may you pass on the "other side" of Luna;
It may be that you found the Mediation of the Sun! Ya,
To the other pole peripherical of the Stars!
While KunDRY-Salome wants you to stay
Behind in the Pleasure Dome of Lucifer
And indulge the life of Vice like Herod
Antipas(s) and Herodias the reincarnated
Prophets of Baal, you have also the Virginal
That comes from the Starry world and
Cannot suffer this influence; in some case
The Flower dies just like the Little Prince
And return to her place previous in the Night....

There has been not long a (Jean Paul Richter's)
George Harrison's Hommage in which they
Paul McCartney(A.W. Schlegel) and Joe
Brown played songs using the "Little Guitar",
The Yukulélé(sp?), and this has a Poetic
Meaning very clear to those with Eyes
Opened to the Open Mysteries
Happening in our times, actual lives...
Much Etherized, Harrison at the end years
Previous to his death I have witnessed
The change in his physical constitution;
One should not be that surprised since
Constituted he the part Cow of the 5th
Epoch Sphynx Mystery of the preparation
Exoterical of the masses to the Christ's
Appearance in the Life Sphere Kingdom;
For "Little Guitar" is of the Child,
Ever Young, The Krishna Beingness -
Golden Boy; so we speak of course
Of the Nathan Soul!

Lennon(Eagle)
Harrison(Cow)
McCartney(Man)
Ringo(Lion)

Now the most interesting thing with Lennon
Is that we have to do with a prophet known
Once as the favorite pupil of Elijah, Elisha;
As well as Diomedes the companion of Odysseus;
Mark well, the brother Schlegel Friedrich;
One chief responsable for the "magazine"
Romantic where were many Pollens;
'The ATHENAum'! Speak of Conscience....

Prokofieff again:

"which began with Adam (and through him
the whole of mankind) was endowed with
the principle of ego (Genesis 2:7), and will
culminate in the highest point of the evolution
of this ego, with its readiness fully to unite
with the next principle, the Sprit-Self, so that
wholly united they will make the transition
to a new cosmic aeon. But -- as has been
described -- this will come about only when
the sheaths have been fashioned amongst
mankind with which Christ can be clothed
in order that humanity may be led to the
Jupiter stage of existence: 'What is
physical in our earth falls away at the end
of the Earth period and human souls in their
totality pass over into the Jupiter condition,
the next planetary condition of the Earth.
From the evolutionnary stage that it will have
reached by then, it passes over to the next
stage of Earth evolution, that of Jupiter
existence. Just as the ego of an individual
being is the centre of his further evolution,
so for the whole of future humanity it will
be the Christ Ego in the astral and etheric
bodies of men who will go on to ensoul Jupiter
existence, in the next stage of planetery evolution.' [352]

This can also be characterised from a more
inward point of view. The group-souls of primordial
humanity, which in the terminology of occultism
are called 'Bull', 'Lion', 'Eagle' and 'Man'
and which passed through their evolution
on Old Moon, also came over into the Earth
aeon. On the earth they continued to influence
the evolution of humanity fom the Sun-sphere
until approximatly the end of the first third
of the Atlantean age. [353]"

(...)

"must, by the end of Earth evolution, in full freedom
and out of the higher spiritual consciousness
that will have been acquired, again be attained
by human beings as a foundation for the transition
to the future Jupiter condition."

 

The only one I hadn't identified up until recent
Days was the "clown" Ringo; which I have found
To be part of the plot (no coincidence ;)
Of the Trojan Horse with Odysseus, namely
'Sinon'; what a Joker he was! hee hee! :)

So by now you know the Supersensible Fifth;
The Initiate who did "Combine" with Beatles
To bring the tide Freedom-Fun Nathan Soul!
That's the Success Story Spiritual Science;
Based on Man's Foundation. 'Star Trek'
Did quite a feat popular like
With the Threefoldness
Of Thinking(Spock)
Feeling(McCoy(sp?)
Willing(Captain Kirk)

Loggin out,
Star-Date
February 26th,
Danny ;)

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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Stars/ Beaming Up/ Dottie

I have read with interest your message
About Steiner and what you sensed
Regarding a past Jewish incarnation of his.
How great in fact would be the ridiculous,
Ô so tremendous! of spending years
Of your life writing a book about a guy
Like Steiner, supposedly anti-Jew, while
He himself was before known as Abraham.

DANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding me, well I know you wouldn't kid me but I had never heard this? Jeezu. What's a guy like Staudenmaier to do with such information. :))))))

Now, I shall read the rest of your paper. Oh, and by the way I am glad Anthroposophy is working:)

Dottie

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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] A link for Dottie and whoever interested/ Stars

--- Danny F. wrote:

Many of Corelli's books, and a lot more at:

http://arthursclassicnovels.com/

Dearest Danny,

When reading the excerpts of the books you offered up I have to say I have a keen feeling for Count Saint Germaine. Have you read The Master Christian yet?

I have a question for you and maybe Bradford might chime in and maybe not anyhow here goes: Who is the mother of the Christian Rosenkrutz child? And are the twelve members of this so called family also trailing the line of the twelve disciples and the twelve stars that circle the Moon and in effect I guess I am asking are these considered the Bodhisattvas?

Also, Danny, have you read Heavenly Sophia by Mr. Prokolieff? I am quite interested in hearing your thoughts on the 'sobornal beings' that work within the human realm. And while I am here, who was the father of the Solomon Jesus line? We know the one father goes back to David but what about the other?

And what do you think of the idea of a heavenly Sophia and a earthly Sophia?

Trying to stay here,

Thanks for the ride,

love,
dottie

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From: holderlin66
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: Stars/ Beaming Up/ Dottie

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Danny wrote;

Lennon(Eagle)
Harrison(Cow)
McCartney(Man)
Ringo(Lion)

Now the most interesting thing with Lennon
Is that we have to do with a prophet known
Once as the favorite pupil of Elijah, Elisha;
As well as Diomedes the companion of Odysseus;
Mark well, the brother Schlegel Friedrich;
One chief responsable for the "magazine"
Romantic where were many Pollens;
'The ATHENAum'! Speak of Conscience....

Bradford casts an eye to the North;

You know how much I have missed our crew Danny. Equally I have truly missed you, although I always knew you were where ever in the Michael School my heart wandered. Certain secrets seem to be creeping into thy soul. Truly you have me interested on the above insights. Can you, may I ask if you care to, in some artistically touch point way.. or not; give me some pointers here.

Such as of that which is understood.

It is understood that if you take Tolstoy and Socrates and put their two heads in front of you, you get the great traveling road show of the most amazing rich insight into the astonishing further adventures of the most beloved Socrates.

This peculiar law of the skull, breaks the law in terms of Novalis and the self portrait of Raphael. It is almost as if a new person arose, since Novalis carried the seeds of Spiritual Science, the skull became radically changed. Because when the soul incarnates, even the Angels are working with the sphere of Art. You see Sophie Von Kuhn led Novalis to his own portrait, for he himself compared Sophie von Kuhn to Raphael...and had he seen himself in this the Sophia he adored?

Aristotle and Steiner carry themselves well in the journey when looking into the bust of Aristotle. Holderlin and XXXX hold up well in their shapings both inwardly and outwardly. Goethe and Phidias the great Greek of PHI hold up very well.

I say hold up very well, but because we are such stingy students of Steiner, we gawk and bawk at such biographical prizes put on our plates. We turn away from this biographical gifts as if we had too much Christmas turkey. I say work for your deeper biographical lore and see the wonders of these souls so that we grasp what wonders are in the Spirit I of each soul we look upon... what may be, may be.. Instead we whimper away from these biographical windows as if snails were horses.

You posed a Maria Corelli and Magdalene bridge.. For one, I love Magdalene for another I adore Maria Corelli. Again, others with no taste and no depth wander around staring at the shape of fronds, while Corelli nailed, and the only one of its kind, nailed the Christ Event with such depth that the soul quivers. I would personally be one stunned and happy Michael soul.. with whoever they or she turned out to be.. But...

There is the Marie Steiner Hypatia contemplation. I had long ago taken it seriously and read Hypatia and the whole Platonic Logos, Orpheus WORD/Eurythmy mission as something that even made Marie Steiner sit in a chair, her limbs still affected from having been torn asunder with sharp sea shells. It was from the limbs torn asunder that the new limbs of Eurythmy gesture grew.. but who cares to think about such things.

I paused to consider, but my pause differs from those who stand there slack jawed, I wandered through this or that door into history because it was picking up fragments of the Michael School.

Considering a Doctor and understanding the Karma of War...I studied Gilgamesh, heck I went to Iraq and stood on the same altar, the remains of the Ziqqurat that Gilgamesh and Enkidu stood on. For this and Alexander the Great, Ita Wegman and the Bust of Alexander work miracles in the heart and mind.. What a family we have eh?

Danny, you know that I went on bended knee to St. Francis and there was indeed, by the Doctors good cause, an ancient companion of Buddha standing in the soul of St. Francis. Yet more wonders still, that the Three Kings should have had their lesson books marked where the Zarathustra Soul should name himself Jesus. Go West Young star student guys. What a town that must have been. A nothing town. A fishermens wharf. There was really nothing special about the epileptic kid named Jesus and by taking a cross town bus, you could visit Mary I and Mary II.

You know how I marvelled at how Doctor named both Kepler as an Egyptian Initiate and the mysteries of NUT; and Goethe before he was PHI was also an Egyptian Initiate, but then did we pause at the YOUTH of Nain long enough to gather how 7 different qualities of Light that were grasped by Manes? Did we stop, and find ourselves in awe when Steiner talked about Iskariot and the isle where Judas was found? When Iskariot became the houseman next door to Pilate? How Iskariot then murdered his own Father, right next door to Pilate. Did we ponder more deeply St. Augustine? What weeds we are.

Danny have we not marvelled together how the Arthur and Grail companions were beamed down by the very Merlin like Loci of the next phase of those that had gathered around the Last Supper and experienced the baptism of what was new to me, the Holy Ghost from Angel inspiration to the Language Beings of an Archangel new grouping of Pentecost? What did such a new grouping, baptized with the New Word of the Holy Ghost have to do with Arthur and the Grail families? We are less than weeds.

Or Charles Darwin. Did I not run to look up how Tariq stumbled in, in 711 and not the U.S. fast food store 711 either, but Tariq stumbled and took over Europe by storm, by accident, by destiny? Did I not? When only dumb stares and historical blank faces look back at us. Is this so petty a subject when you do your homework? I think not friends. We are rocks.

Then if a man describes the Idols of Bacon and we invade Baghdad and stay at the Haroun al Raschid Hotel.. what lightless, lumbering souls can there be in the Michael School to not gasp or chuckle, which ever comes first, (certainly not fart) over the stunning news.

So Danny begins Agememnoning and Odysseusizing, while I squint and bark like a dog when H-for Hamlet and H-for Hector are whispered in the bard's ear.. I rush to put the puzzle pieces together and see, out of the Michael School family, painted portraits of my cousins. While most just make dull comments on the furniture and how sweet the place mats are. We are tadples.

So Danny...richly gather if thou ist truly gathering and if there is some squint and angle in the light I could but see and share, point it out. The Beatles long ago, when I was a young man, I had written a screenplay using the very same Four Fold Heart Ventricle system and layout of the cardinal points. I took the Scarob and the Beetle of Egypt, Beatle and the strange StoneHenge mystery into my baby sentient soul eye back then...

So by all means dear friend, gather and store for as you see, nobody eats these nuts except if dark winter broods. The laws of Grammar and the sticking point of nicht wenigar and outshine the laws of incarnation and the graduate study of Michael School classmates.

To Dottie, indeed, such a new Constellation of 12 have formed infusing as was said, the 13th as THE ONE. This, THE ONE and a new constellation of Bodhisattvas carried around the seed germ of a new Earth and a New genesis that Put the Father in the core of the Earth in Christ... makes another of Steiner's astonishing statements called the Birth of a new Sun... make all the whole of our earthly classmates stop dead before fission and fusion, instead most still kneel at the Church of the Unrisen Light? We are swamp scum.

But yet, you see, Dottie brings the New Sophia and it seems her mission, such a mission that seems to grow Dottie. Cluttered and occupied are all these fine Michael School researchers, Joel with the POF...Paulina with the Holy of Holies, Christine with the Truth and the Children in the Light of the Truth and our long lost companions of deepest grail lore, besides Kim, Joksu and Starbirgarden, Jan have fled the AT school of fine fencing for fairer pastures of peace and plenty. They sit in chairs on the lawn warmly contemplating great things.

Do we deem it fair to attempt to share our findings, well my hunger for scraps from all the tables keeps me whining under the table and begging for more from those I know who have Michael School blood.

But you brave Danny, come with your humble bullseye and all I can say is, "did you shoot those bull's eyes"? Should more substance be added to the hints, aside from how those pieces fell into shape? But it was as our dear Dr. Steiner, a life time of careful observation... His sentences, dear friends, his sentences, his sentences raise insights that it would take libraries to consolidate...which is partially our job I think. To think with 21st century joy, shock and awe. Thanks danny!

Your friend
Bradford

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From: danifyou
Date: Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:07 pm
Subject: Pentacost; A 10th Hierarchy's Version of the Sobornal

----Message original -----
De : holderlin66

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Danny wrote;

Lennon(Eagle)
Harrison(Cow)
McCartney(Man)
Ringo(Lion)

Now the most interesting thing with Lennon
Is that we have to do with a prophet known
Once as the favorite pupil of Elijah, Elisha;
As well as Diomedes the companion of Odysseus;
Mark well, the brother Schlegel Friedrich;
One chief responsable for the "magazine"
Romantic where were many Pollens;
'The ATHENAum'! Speak of Conscience....

Bradford casts an eye to the North;

You know how much I have missed our crew Danny. Equally I have truly missed you, although I always knew you were where ever in the Michael School my heart wandered. Certain secrets seem to be creeping into thy soul. Truly you have me interested on the above insights. Can you, may I ask if you care to, in some artistically touch point way.. or not; give me some pointers here.

Hi Bradford!

My best pal source of new material
Infused with mighty forces of the 'I AM'...
Your food has an edge Fire of Michael!

Speak of Voluntarism and bulk;
You've got the recipe for talks
That never leaves us without
The needed bells of Devachan;
Sweet sounds of Spiritual Science
Brought forth through your utterances
'Ecce Homo' striving in all places spiritual!

And since you came first with the John Lennon
I'll do the same as an introduction
Which is in order key numerical (his age) 30
The time at which the Beatles as an Entity
Ceased to work combined after years they really
Had come out of the Cavern - to Germany
They went - if you remember the Story...
I do go Age-Game-Mnemonic when I say
That they have gone there out of Past Karmic
Relationship; Yoko Ono later entered the scene
As the Individuality Dorothea; for sequence
Karma of Newness the *30 years old* is change
New Start of the Incarnate properly; as said
Rudolf Steiner about this switch from
A "Repetition" of the Former to the Present.

Logicism; the split came, the formation
Had to break up; twas time for the 'I's,
Each friends to go for Emancipation
And Individual Quest - Missions...

Should I now speak of fidel Emmaus
And go back to the eighteen century
As to name this reincarnee A. C. Just?

Well, let me go earlier else and later as well
And speak of the St-Peter's Dome instead.
And lo, what do we have had in Rome, deed of Raphael
Reoccured later as Art Lazaruzation Modern
Of Friedrich Hölderlin, the work on the brain
Which coincide to the madness of 1801 -
If I recollect well the date.

Thawing of the Substance, Intense;
Diotima became as if Schi-Atoma!
That is the Fission Force Solar-Astra
Overcame the Structural Seat for Thinking,
Exercise Difficult but Rewarding; the Etheric
Healing Forces Mediate; so to Attune to this
Medium; and lo Build for the Stand Future
Solid(the Theme Peter-Mosaic) out
Of Self - the Stirring in the Ethereal Navigate
"Brainless" Countenance was the Training hence!

It came not as an arrow as before from Paris;
But indeed Hyperion got then the thing seed
Venus Integration as in the Imagination
Royal of the Sun Future State that will
Be the Earth after Thursday the Aeon....

Who could bear such a shock without damage?
Not even the Olympian Strength of Achilles!
Remember the sickly conditions that made
Possible Rosenkreutz to be Transparent...
Different sides of the Mission; different suffrances...

Beside the Seal Jupiterian
Chef-D'Oeuvre of Rudolf;
There are other ones who work
Out aspecta(c)tions different....
Especially the Mark of Life Venusian;
The Body-Temple Mysteries to come...

Bradford:

Such as of that which is understood.

It is understood that if you take Tolstoy and Socrates and put their two heads in front of you, you get the great traveling road show of the most amazing rich insight into the astonishing further adventures of the most beloved Socrates.

I'll look at that!
Face to Face Speaking
With Pausanias, catch a glimpse
Curious speech articulated
At the Symposium about LOVE
Some could not have missed
To be there as an historical moment
Not far from the Turning Point -
Last incarnation for some previous;
Sure Socrates got an imprint from Phaedrus!

Tolstoy - I haven't read, but speak of Mars
War and the Word and get a whole lot to digest!

Bradford:
Let's remember

This peculiar law of the skull, breaks the law in terms of Novalis and the self portrait of Raphael. It is almost as if a new person arose, since Novalis carried the seeds of Spiritual Science, the skull became radically changed. Because when the soul incarnates, even the Angels are working with the sphere of Art. You see Sophie Von Kuhn led Novalis to his own portrait, for he himself compared Sophie von Kuhn to Raphael...and had he seen himself in this the Sophia he adored?

I wonder what would say the Goethean
Regarding a Straight series of bones
For the neck as opposed to an 'S'...
Is there really a clear cut after all
The Blood previous with the Axes
Of Odysseus and the Axe of the Baptist?
Speak of the Grail and the Moralist...
Hm, Galahad at your Service!

Bradford:

Aristotle and Steiner carry themselves well in the journey when looking into the bust of Aristotle. Holderlin and XXXX hold up well in their shapings both inwardly and outwardly.

Yeah I noticed; as I have a Poetry
Book with a picture of his;
I couldn't help 'twas Crystal Clear!

Bradford:

Goethe and Phidias the great Greek of PHI hold up very well.

I say hold up very well, but because we are such stingy students of Steiner, we gawk and bawk at such biographical prizes put on our plates. We turn away from this biographical gifts as if we had too much Christmas turkey. I say work for your deeper biographical lore and see the wonders of these souls so that we grasp what wonders are in the Spirit I of each soul we look upon... what may be, may be.. Instead we whimper away from these biographical windows as if snails were horses.

You posed a Maria Corelli and Magdalene bridge.. For one, I love Magdalene for another I adore Maria Corelli. Again, others with no taste and no depth wander around staring at the shape of fronds, while Corelli nailed, and the only one of its kind, nailed the Christ Event with such depth that the soul quivers. I would personally be one stunned and happy Michael soul.. with whoever they or she turned out to be.. But...

There is the Marie Steiner Hypatia contemplation. I had long ago taken it seriously and read Hypatia and the whole Platonic Logos, Orpheus WORD/Eurythmy mission as something that even made Marie Steiner sit in a chair, her limbs still affected from having been torn asunder with sharp sea shells. It was from the limbs torn asunder that the new limbs of Eurythmy gesture grew.. but who cares to think about such things.

I paused to consider, but my pause differs from those who stand there slack jawed, I wandered through this or that door into history because it was picking up fragments of the Michael School.

Considering a Doctor and understanding the Karma of War...I studied Gilgamesh, heck I went to Iraq and stood on the same altar, the remains of the Ziqqurat that Gilgamesh and Enkidu stood on. For this and Alexander the Great, Ita Wegman and the Bust of Alexander work miracles in the heart and mind.. What a family we have eh?

The Streams of Venus and Jupiter
And their chief Representatives
Paris and Agamemnon back then
Do make for a good Aurora Consurgens
Or a School of Athens...

+

Seems you travelled a region within
What became a hot zone of war again!

Beside that being said;
I'll sure put these names
You cited above as Themes
To be 'research' - remembering
Your comments Most Pertinent!
Think of a Voice - Steady -
Think of Bradford Riley;
There should be Many,
So to have an Army Invincible
Armed with the Dynamic Peace
Tone Willful of the Music of the Spheres!
....Let us call it our Maitreya Atmosphere!

Bradford:

Danny, you know that I went on bended knee to St. Francis and there was indeed, by the Doctors good cause, an ancient companion of Buddha standing in the soul of St. Francis. Yet more wonders still, that the Three Kings should have had their lesson books marked where the Zarathustra Soul should name himself Jesus. Go West Young star student guys. What a town that must have been. A nothing town. A fishermens wharf. There was really nothing special about the epileptic kid named Jesus and by taking a cross town bus, you could visit Mary I and Mary II.

You know how I marvelled at how Doctor named both Kepler as an Egyptian Initiate and the mysteries of NUT; and Goethe before he was PHI was also an Egyptian Initiate, but then did we pause at the YOUTH of Nain long enough to gather how 7 different qualities of Light that were grasped by Manes?

7 Sisters in the Starry Night?

Sure Parsifal had a sister who died
While the Grail to be achieved by Galahad;
(Don't you recall the Image Archetypal
Of Ofterdinden, the Princess and the OLD MAN?)
And Feat particular like Lazarus
And the Little Girl Talitha Khumi;
The Nirmanakaya must be full of Stars surely!

Velocity Quicker of Moon and the Astras;
Methinks we have a content Rabbit there
Strike in the Person of Odysseys-Adam
Forerunner to all the other humans
Who entered in the TRICK of the FALL
In order to have FREEDOM;
And the EGO Earlier as a result.
(Previously aka the Lucifer
Temptation in the Garden...)

Bradford:

Did we stop, and find ourselves in awe when Steiner talked about Iskariot and the isle where Judas was found? When Iskariot became the houseman next door to Pilate? How Iskariot then murdered his own Father, right next door to Pilate. Did we ponder more deeply St. Augustine? What weeds we are.

Danny have we not marvelled together how the Arthur and Grail companions were beamed down by the very Merlin like Loci of the next phase of those that had gathered around the Last Supper and experienced the baptism of what was new to me, the Holy Ghost from Angel inspiration to the Language Beings of an Archangel new grouping of Pentecost? What did such a new grouping, baptized with the New Word of the Holy Ghost have to do with Arthur and the Grail families? We are less than weeds.

Or Charles Darwin. Did I not run to look up how Tariq stumbled in, in 711 and not the U.S. fast food store 711 either, but Tariq stumbled and took over Europe by storm, by accident, by destiny? Did I not? When only dumb stares and historical blank faces look back at us. Is this so petty a subject when you do your homework? I think not friends. We are rocks.

Then if a man describes the Idols of Bacon and we invade Baghdad and stay at the Haroun al Raschid Hotel.. what lightless, lumbering souls can there be in the Michael School to not gasp or chuckle, which ever comes first, (certainly not fart) over the stunning news.

So Danny begins Agememnoning and Odysseusizing, while I squint and bark like a dog when H-for Hamlet and H-for Hector are whispered in the bard's ear.. I rush to put the puzzle pieces together and see, out of the Michael School family, painted portraits of my cousins. While most just make dull comments on the furniture and how sweet the place mats are. We are tadples.

So Danny...richly gather if thou ist truly gathering and if there is some squint and angle in the light I could but see and share, point it out. The Beatles long ago, when I was a young man, I had written a screenplay using the very same Four Fold Heart Ventricle system and layout of the cardinal points. I took the Scarob and the Beetle of Egypt, Beatle and the strange StoneHenge mystery into my baby sentient soul eye back then...

Beetles vs. Insects, this is you who spoke often
About these regarding the Nervous System
Of the Plants; Etheric and Astral:
MOTHER REALM and Unified Sun Streams;
May I get some Milk? :)
George said:
"They gave the money and the screams;
But the Beatles gave the Nervous Systems;
Which is much harder to give..."

And to hear the Paul of Damascus
Who once uttered:
"We are the body of Christ"
And Novalis:
"To be messiahs to Nature".

Bradford:

So by all means dear friend, gather and store for as you see, nobody eats these nuts except if dark winter broods. The laws of Grammar and the sticking point of nicht wenigar and outshine the laws of incarnation and the graduate study of Michael School classmates.

To Dottie, indeed, such a new Constellation of 12 have formed infusing as was said, the 13th as THE ONE. This, THE ONE and a new constellation of Bodhisattvas carried around the seed germ of a new Earth and a New genesis that Put the Father in the core of the Earth in Christ... makes another of Steiner's astonishing statements called the Birth of a new Sun... make all the whole of our earthly classmates stop dead before fission and fusion, instead most still kneel at the Church of the Unrisen Light? We are swamp scum.

But yet, you see, Dottie brings the New Sophia and it seems her mission, such a mission that seems to grow Dottie. Cluttered and occupied are all these fine Michael School researchers, Joel with the POF...Paulina with the Holy of Holies, Christine with the Truth and the Children in the Light of the Truth and our long lost companions of deepest grail lore, besides Kim, Joksu and Starbirgarden, Jan have fled the AT school of fine fencing for fairer pastures of peace and plenty. They sit in chairs on the lawn warmly contemplating great things.

Do we deem it fair to attempt to share our findings, well my hunger for scraps from all the tables keeps me whining under the table and begging for more from those I know who have Michael School blood.

But you brave Danny, come with your humble bullseye and all I can say is, "did you shoot those bull's eyes"?

I'm not familiar with this expression;
If you mean shoot cinema-wise... well ;)
Perhaps... 'Troy' will refresh
Our sight: the side of Paris
And the fight for his Bull favorite
--> As in Hathor the 'House of Horus'!
Have I mentionned 'Isis' once in my post?
(Now it must be done I guess... ;)

Bradford:

Should more substance be added to the hints, aside from how those pieces fell into shape? But it was as our dear Dr. Steiner, a life time of careful observation... His sentences, dear friends, his sentences, his sentences raise insights that it would take libraries to consolidate...which is partially our job I think. To think with 21st century joy, shock and awe. Thanks danny!

Your friend
Bradford

You should have said Enthusiastic friend! ;)

Thanks Tonic Brad;
Still many years of Friendship ahead...
In fact I do not think it ends -
It changes though remain!

Love,
Danny

And P.S. to Dottie:
You're the next on my Love List...
I'm sure I have something to say
About your last message; perhaps
Already did at this moment; I'll see
Later as now I must get to sleep....

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:11 pm
Subject: Hypatia

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, holderlin66 wrote:

There is the Marie Steiner Hypatia contemplation. I had long ago taken it seriously and read Hypatia and the whole Platonic Logos, Orpheus WORD/Eurythmy mission as something that even made Marie Steiner sit in a chair, her limbs still affected from having been torn asunder with sharp sea shells. It was from the limbs torn asunder that the new limbs of Eurythmy gesture grew.. but who cares to think about such things.

Bradford comments;

The Great Library

The Great Library of Alexandria is a legend. Not a myth, but a legend. The destruction of the library of the ancient world has been retold many times and attributed to just as many different factions and rulers, not for the purpose of chronicling that ediface of education, but as political slander. Much ink has been spilled, ancient and modern, over the 400,000 volumes housed in grain depots near the harbor, which were supposedly incinerated when Julius Caesar torched the fleet of Cleopatra's brother and rival monarch. The figure of Hypatia, a fifth-century scholar and mathematician of Alexandria, being dragged from her chariot from an angry Pagan- hating mob of monks who flayed her alive then burned her upon the remnants of the old Library, has found her way into legend as well, thanks to a few contemporary sources which survived.

http://www.hol.org.uk/classes/mp-lesson3.htm

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 3:49 am
Subject: Myth and legend (was: Hypatia)

Bradford comments;

The Great Library

The Great Library of Alexandria is a legend. Not a myth, but a legend.

These terms, myth and legend, are almost synonymous in this case.

myth n.
1 a traditional narrative usu. involving supernatural or imaginary persons
and often embodying popular ideas on natural or social phenomena etc.
2 such narratives collectively.
3 a widely held but false notion 4 a fictitious person, thing, or idea. 5
an allegory (the Platonic myth)

legend n.
1 a a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but
unauthenticated; a myth
1 b such stories collectively
1 c a popular but unfounded belief
1 d [colloq.] a person about whom unauthenticated tales are told; a famous
or notorious person (became a legend in his own lifetime).
2 a an inscription, especially on a coin or medal.
2 b [Printing] a caption
2 c wording on a map etc. explaining the symbols used.
3 a [Hist.] the story of a saint's life.
3 b [Hist.] a collection of lives of saints or similar stories.

(Oxford English Reference Dictionary)

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 8:51 am
Subject: Re: Myth and legend/Judas

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Tarjei Straume wrote:

legend n.
1 a a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but
unauthenticated; a myth
1 b such stories collectively
1 c a popular but unfounded belief
1 d [colloq.] a person about whom unauthenticated tales are told; a famous
or notorious person (became a legend in his own lifetime).
2 a an inscription, especially on a coin or medal.
2 b [Printing] a caption
2 c wording on a map etc. explaining the symbols used.
3 a [Hist.] the story of a saint's life.
3 b [Hist.] a collection of lives of saints or similar stories.

Bradford;

Now tracing things that were left out of the Bible or left out of history altogether, and seeing how Steiner was such an excellent reporter, a real investigative reporter, we hear such stunning facts that are sensational from his words. They may be considered legends but not myths and they also are the un-included picture of the facts that we can term apocryphal.

I looked up "Kariot" a tiny island and in Jordan area of Palestine related to JaLoud and Kariot and the city of Nablus. This particular and several particulars of Nablus-Palastine-Kariot begged further interest regarding how Steiner presented his "legend" of Judas Iskariot. But have no fear this does lead us to Bob Dylan, that is if you can ride the high horse.

http://www.addameer.org/september2000/pressreleases/sunday4march.html

Three more Palestinian civilians were killed last night, including one woman, and 5 injured (3 under the age of 18, including a 10 year old). These willful killings and willfully caused injuries are a result of the policy of escalating violence and excessive force used by Israeli forces against Palestinians, at the instigation of, and resulting from threats made by, Israeli army commanders and political leaders against the Palestinian people.

The Palestinian civilians killed were :

· Baher Shafik Mahmoud Oda, 18 years old, Hawara Village;
· Ahmed Hasan Hahmed Alen, 18 years old, Kariot Village, in Nablus region;
· Ida Daoud Musa, 43 year old woman of El Berih.

R.S.

http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/19090704p01.html

"There is a legend which, though not in the Gospels, is none the less a Christian legend and a Christian truth. It runs as follows:

There was once a couple who for a long time had no son. It was revealed to the mother in a dream (note this well) that she would have a son, that this son would kill his father and wed his mother, and bring terrible misfortune upon his whole tribe.

In this legend we have a dream, as with Oedipus there is an oracle — that is, a remnant of the old inherited clairvoyance."

Bradford continues;

Steiner often throws in some eye popping details connecting dots we never were aware of and part of the interest in soul development is being able to sense in the soul when such eye popping, soul jarring moments grab one. Most people, as per my experience, don't listen and have 'blind spots'. They read Steiner or someone else, Chomsky and a hundred other examples, and for some reason people have been numbed by the type of dialect and discourse that is common to both news and the twisted, illogical failed university thinking of P.S., where things are bent beyond recognition to make some twisted sliver of sense.

There has become a well designed Spiritual Numbness so that if one does come across potent passages, the reflex of Ahrimanic numbness, and missing insights, just give one a blank. However to the outsider perspective it would seem that Steiner and certainly Bradford is twisting the story out of context. Now that is why Ahriman has come in under the cover of thinking blindness and thinking numbness by twisting, tale and lie and deception with such boring, dry and dead concepts that everyone who gets an education comes out deader than they went in. They found no stunning threads. These are reserved for those wide participants in the Michael School.

Now partly this is due to the efforts Steiner made in working absolutely new paradigms of research and concepts into culture. On another site the Soul was slowly being defined as preset-modularity. Here is term one has to see arising in culture and also be able to translate it into a living conceptual framework. So here is a term, nobody is watching and it slowly creeps up because to say SOUL is so unscientific, blah, blah, blah. Steiner offered his terms and his structure and it is our job to integrate and observe the various connections, lame or accurate, that science is fiddling with. But people don't care to do that, even though it is highly interesting. For instance:

http://faculty.virginia.edu/kubovylab/101_97/Lectures/Lecture02.html

Dreams and modularity

Five features of dreams
Intense emotion
Illogical content and organization
Clear sensory impressions
Uncritical acceptance
Difficulty of remembering the dream

The principle of modularity
The mind is not controlled by a single agency
It is more like a collection of specialized devices: modules
In dreams some of the modules that work when we are awake are turned off; others work harder
Another example of modularity: autism, a condition that may not affect intelligence, but prevents the individual from understanding others

WHERE AM I?
Mind = soul = spirit
Why "mind"?
Is the mind in the heart or in the brain?
Aristotle (384-322 BCE): heart
Galen (129-199 CE): brain

Galen's brain theory
Experiments on Barbary apes
Squeeze heart and brain
Tie off nerve from brain to vocal chords

Facts about the cortex of the brain

THE BRAIN
Total cortical area = 1.3 x 105 mm2
= a square sheet about 14" on a side
Cortical thickness = 1.7 mm
about 1/16" thick
Number of cortical neurons = 1010
10,000,000,000 = 10 billion
Density of cortical neurons = 105/mm3
1,638,706,400 = about 1.7 billion in a 1" cube

THE BRAIN
Number of synapses per neuron = 4x103
4,000
Axons: 3 km/mm3
80,000 miles in a 1" cube
Number of corpus callosum fibers = 5x108
500,000,000 = 500 million
Electrical activity of the brain

Bradford continues;

So my point was, that Steiner mentions Kariot in relation to Judas. I look up Kariot and find such a place, obscure, but very interesting. Now the name Judas Iskariot and what is known as APOCRYPHAL aspects of the unincluded texts of the history of the Bible, explain and practically knock one off ones chair, if one takes Steiner seriously. It is a great, great mistake if one doesn't take intelligence and the expanded research of Dr. Steiner seriously. It is a grave mistake. But that would mean reading with interest. Steiner says, legend, in regards to the Iskariot data, and we can define this as well as apocryphal, off the beaten track, but accurate text research and more historical than history.

So in brief, what is missing in good reporting is following the story. Judas in more than a 'legend' is the 'rest of the story' digging up the dirt, that Judas and the name Kariot really refered to something interesting and suddenly we get this strange tale of how Judas was acting out a complete ancient Greek Oedipus event, which brings him right into the household of Pilate...(where do we get that little clue? Do we even have a clue of some of the more interesting offshoots of the stories behind some of these disciples?)

Judas, kills Father, marries Mother, he is THE GREEATES SINNER and we assume that GREAT SINNER means because he betrayed Christ. No. Because he killed his Father and slept with his mother, then he betrayed Christ. So incorporated in the events of Golgotha are what would interest Steiner a great deal, how the Greek biographical potency of Oedipus played into the Golgotha event. Why, because if nothing else, Greek Michael Impulse is Steiner Impulse to the core. Here we are introduced to the missing puzzle piece. Judas was a GREAT SINNER.

The pivotal event of Judas was that the Gods needed a Patsy, like Lee Harvey Oswald, the Gods needed a pivot who had truly, truly become an orphan and a homeless person and had nothing but the Christ. This is not to say that Lee Harvey did the shooting but he was a patsy.

Let us look at Lazarus who is John, leaning his head on the breast of Christ. John lives only because the Christ heart is sustaining him. Let us look at the polarity of how Judas is also magnetically attracted to the only shelter and home that will sustain his life. The entirely new sun constellation formed of the brotherhood of the disciples ringed by the mighty forces of the Elohim Christ Being. The Gods place the enormous mystical burden that is depicted in the Oedipus Drama, on the shoulders of Judas. Lazarus sustained by Christ and Judas, takes refuge from the Storm of his soul with the disciples.

Dylan:

"In a world of steel-eyed death, and men who are fighting to be warm.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."

Not a word was spoke between us, there was little risk involved
Everything up to that point had been left unresolved.
Try imagining a place where it's always safe and warm.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."

I was burned out from exhaustion, buried in the hail,
Poisoned in the bushes an' blown out on the trail,
Hunted like a crocodile, ravaged in the corn.
"Come in," she said,
"I'll give you shelter from the storm."

Bradford continues;

The legend goes on beyond the death of Judas and comes down the road to the hard pressed and interesting Augustine. Augustine gets the model of the Etheric Body of the Christ, a truly wonderful gift and St. Augustine is the proof of the gift. (now here is again one of those blank spots where we have no appreciation of just what this entails) Augustine, according to another bomb dropped by Steiner was Judas Iskariot. This bomb is a megaload, but you have to be able to slowly piece together a puzzle. The only way to astonish oneself is to understand how the Dome and painting of the first Goetheanum and the research of Steiner is so illuminated by the Fact that Steiner had the model of the Astral body of Christ. This certainly is like the COUNTENANCE OF THE SUN as a Michael Fact. Again, this draws a blank, a blank as to richness of understanding what we are dealing with in history.

Lets move forward to Dylan. Now I do not know who Dylan was. We do know that America during the Christ Rising of 1933 a prophet and poet called Woody Guthrie and Dylan took over the mantle of infusing the sixties generation, from Woody Guthrie. The generation Dylan spoke to were most capable of tranforming the Luciferic impulse into finding the Risen Christ, which is where this list comes in. Now the question, just the question to all this, as far as legend goes... Interests me, just to hold in my minds eye, in what direction I might detect why Dylan is Dylan? And if Dylan along with Guthrie spoke to the warm etheric forces, the social issues of good and evil that Augustine wrestled with?

Maybe, as bold as to ask, in theory, the living words of Dylan and the conflicts of St. Augustine, his interior struggles in social etheric sense, in common spiritual sense, in the battle for understanding right and wrong in the etheric body of the sixties and bringing this as a transformed Augustine philosophy into the stream of the etheric bodies of the sixties, effectively changed social, etheric awareness. See, are we onto something here? A gift Dylan conveyed of seeing deeply past the illusion of what appears right and wrong.

Well, the series of connections swept like lightening through my soul. Observing a stunning trail that makes what Steiner brought about Judas Iskariot, not a myth, but a legend and a historical factoid that stuns the soul with its intense deep reverberating insights that carry us all, deeper into the Christ event, and does something very different to how we understand aspects of Bob Dylan.

But clearly, if we are Michael Students, as Steiner knew we would be, we would say to ourselves, how do we get from Judas to Augustine and where might it go fromt there? But how rich is the story, how stunning the elements already placed as road signs. Do we wish to read the road signs or remain numbed because we hate to admit it but WONDER, literally jars the Intellectual Soul off its horse.

Now that, dear friends, Jarring the Intellectual Soul off its high horse, is exactly what Steiner did, time and time again. That is exactly what was the experience of St. Paul and Damascus and the area of Naplus is called, (little Damascus) is about. St. Paul was knocked off his high horse.

That is exactly, the etheric code, the etheric phrase that was drummed into me by my very narrow christian upbringing. When ever I got interested or excited by something, my parents would literally say to me, as an insult, as they brought some minor infraction into glaring light, "that ought to knock you off your high horse!". This is an etheric gesture and an occult picture which is really and truly related to how the Intellectual Soul is so confident, arrogant and superior that it can be knocked off its high horse. This is what Steiner did with nearly every one of his lectures and profound insights. He knocked us right off our high conceited and arrogant horses or; on the other hand, we feel the raging urge to dismiss him so that he does not pollute and cripple the ahrimanic parasite I'm growing in my soul.

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From: dottie zold
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Myth and legend/Judas

Dear Bradford,

I have always thought Judas got a bum rap after contempating how things went down with Satan entering after the bread sharing with Jesus, and of course the feet washing as well which included Jesus, meaning that he has a part of Judas, and Judas He.

And in knowing that Dr. Steiner, calls St. Augustine Judas, which I have not come across in my travels in his books, it would seem natural that Christ would give an imprint of Himself to the very one who ushered in Christianity: Judas.

Can you please direct me to a book that speaks on these things regarding the Mother Father Son issue revolving around Judas. I have never heard of this before. But it does so fit in with the whole Isis mystery.

If Christ can 'forgive' and even give of Himself to one who supposedly betrayed a human much loved by all imagine what we are called to in our daily lives.

Dottie

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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Myth and legend/Judas

If Christ can 'forgive' and even give of Himself to one who supposedly betrayed a human much loved by all imagine what we are called to in our daily lives.

Dottie

Hey Dottie, your probably getting sick of me sending you Rembrandt pictures to look at, but check this one out any way: [long link]

Seems that Rembrandt had some kind of forgiveness in mind with this portrayal of Judas.

All the best,

Mike

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From: dottie zold
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Myth and legend/Judas

Mike wrote:

Hey Dottie, your probably getting sick of me sending you Rembrandt pictures to look at, but check this one out any way: [long link]

Hey Mike,

I actually am getting to be fascinated by Rembrandt in a way. I love that you keep putting him in there for me to check out. He actually drew the one picture of Da Vinci's Last Supper that really bespeaks a cosmic understanding of great wealth. I am going to check out some more of Rembrandt as soon as I get a chance. What is the greatest of all Rembrandts work in your mind pertaining to the Christ?

In looking at the picture offered up I am struck by the one surrounded by blinding light or actually is blinding light. What is that all about? Also I am confused to exactly who is being portrayed as Judas: is it the one in all black bent down to the left or the man to the right with his hands in the air. I checked out two different pictures on the site.

In reading the gospels I clearly felt that Judas was set up in a way. Then I came to understand that Satan entered in 'after' Jesus okayed for it to be. It was on Jesus' word that the final leg of the journey began and it was with a little push from Jesus as well. Reminds me a moment of Job in that he was forsaken but this time it is to further the cause of Christ. Again I think we also might keep in mind the idea that Judas indeed was the greatest warrior of the Jewish Maccabbee family that ends the OT.

Did you get a chance to check out the page I posted regarding the Beloved Disciple. The page with the Catholic scholar speaks to an interconnecting idea that dates back to the OT. I still haven't contemplated that yet but it is pretty interesting.

All my love,
Dottie

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From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Myth and legend/Judas

Hi Dottie, You wrote:

What is the greatest of all Rembrandts work in your mind pertaining to the Christ?

There are so many Dottie that it's hard to really chose. I am struck by one that I can't find online where the Christ-child is the only sorce of light in the painting.

I also think that a study of his self-portriats over the course of his life, is a great example of him coming to know the Christ within himself.

In looking at the picture offered up I am struck by the one surrounded by blinding light or actually is blinding light. What is that all about? Also I am confused to exactly who is being portrayed as Judas: is it the one in all black bent down to the left or the man to the right with his hands in the air. I checked out two different pictures on the site.

[long link]

Judas is the one kneeling with his hands clasped and if you can make it out, there is a look of anguish on his face. He has returned the silver coins to the treacherous Pharisees, some of which are shunning him, and others are looking at him in awe, as he begs for forgiveness. Here is a little excerpt from an essay that I wrote about him a couple of years ago that I called "Rembrandt and the evolution of Human freedom":

"One of Rembrandt's early paintings is a profound example of the beginnings of the expression of his own inner freedom: "Judas returning the Thirty Pieces of silver" was painted when he was just 23 years old. Here is a picture that is not a typical portrayal of a Biblical theme. In the bottom center we see soft glancing light cast partially onto the silver pieces that have been strewn onto the floor by the obviously tormented Judas, who is kneeling and clutching his hands in anguish. The closest of the group of treacherous Pharisees who commissioned him is gesturing with his hand and turning his head in disgust, as he greedily discusses amongst his conspirators their recent triumph.

Rembrandt's willingness to portray Judas in this manner shows us a not too common ability to see a traitor as a human being -- a human being who is in pain and obviously wishing to redeem himself. This is a prime example of an aspect of inner freedom. A freedom from the one-sidedness of condemnation, and also the freedom that is offered in the ability to forgive. That Rembrandt could portray this kind of empathy at such a young age is indeed astounding."

In reading the gospels I clearly felt that Judas was set up in a way. Then I came to understand that Satan entered in 'after' Jesus okayed for it to be. It was on Jesus' word that the final leg of the journey began and it was with a little push from Jesus as well. Reminds me a moment of Job in that he was forsaken but this time it is to further the cause of Christ. Again I think we also might keep in mind the idea that Judas indeed was the greatest warrior of the Jewish Maccabbee family that ends the OT.

Wow, I didn't know that. It ads quite the significance when you think of it like that.

Did you get a chance to check out the page I posted regarding the Beloved Disciple. The page with the Catholic scholar speaks to an interconnecting idea that dates back to the OT. I still haven't contemplated that yet but it is pretty interesting.

I'm having so much trouble keeping up lately; could you paste it again for me.

Thanks Dottie

Truth and Love

Mike

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