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From: holderlin66
Date: Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:01 pm
Subject: Page from Ahriman's Playbook

Commented on previously:

It isn't that I imagine Armageddon as some sort of end time insertion now, I don't. It is what the delusional method of Occupation and chaos that is emerging in the stream of three absolute fundamental and fundamenalistic paradigms and streams, Judaism, Islam and Idiot Christians are gonna do to the world to create a perpetual Orwellian war on terrorism which is the prime illusion. Marines, and Islam and idiots dying for the justificaton of the region fo the Cradle of Oil and the Plan, is psychological binding hatred.

Bradford adds;

Well this whole fiasco started with a Term Paper, a thesis on WMD but the writer of that Thesis has appeared again. After all he became famous from his thesis that spies chugged down like grog.

"The more unstable Iraq is, the more the United States can justify having military bases to 'stabilize' the country ... even though the postwar chaos in Iraq may have given al-Qaida agents a new base to continue their campaign against the United States."

Bradford agrees;

This has been the clever thinking all along. Weigh up the regional and Fundamental cross continent religious hatreds, stir in some black OPS terrorists to destabalize things when needed, bingo! It is really that simple. This is the summation of Think Tanks. Think Tanks and Michael Intelligence such as this list. Think Tanks to serve Wolfowitz, Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld..Or Think Lists that can see the motives and have insights into beings submerged in the will? Michael Intelligence is a wonderful antidote to Think Tanks.

[Yahoo! News long link]

- Once upon a time, a Ph.D. candidate in California named Ibrahim al- Marashi picked up the morning newspapers and found his 15 minutes of fame. Secretary of State Colin Powell was before the United Nations testifying that all good men must go to war because the aces of American and British intelligence had uncovered undeniable proof that the dictator of Iraq was making, hiding and getting ready to use weapons of mass destruction.

It turned out that a lot of the intelligence Powell cited that day came from al-Marashi's doctoral dissertation on the military ambitions of Saddam Hussein, published two years earlier under the title "Iraq's Security and Intelligence Network." It was plagiarism at the highest levels. British intelligence had stolen 5,000 words from the American student, son of Iraqi parents, ignored his conclusions, and declared Saddam an imminent threat to English-speaking Christians everywhere.

Whatever happened to al-Marashi? His latest work, an essay from the newspaper Zaman in Istanbul published after he returned from a trip to Iraq two weeks ago, turned up here last week as President Bush visited and compared troubles in Iraq to World War II. The young Iraqi-American's new work makes sad reading, stating in part:

"During World War I, the victorious British entered Baghdad and declared to its inhabitants that they were 'liberated' from years of 'Ottoman tyranny.' The British then took three regions, Mosul, Baghdad and Basra, to form what is today Iraq. The Kurds, Sunni and Shiite Arabs had little in common with each other, other than their animosity toward the British. It was obvious to these communities that 'liberation' meant 'occupation,' and they united to harass and expel the British.

"The British response was to create a monarchy sympathetic to their wishes in 1921. By 1958, the Iraqi people again united to overthrow a government too subservient to the British. It was the chaos following the 1958 revolution that allowed a tyrant like Saddam Hussein to climb to power."

Reading al-Mashari gets more depressing than that. After earning degrees at Georgetown University and UCLA, he is now a fellow of the Center for Non-Proliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, and has also written other political analysis that Western intelligence agencies should have found more significant than WMD theories. In his Zaman piece, he suggests, for instance, that the coalition's hopes for winning the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq, including those who had the most personal reasons to hate Saddam, may have been doomed from the start -- because so many Iraqis believed that the dictator had been for a very long time an agent or tool of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.

After all, he reports, Iraqis know that the United States supplied Saddam with military and intelligence help during the country's long war against Iran in the 1980s. Then, after the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites) presided over by President George H.W. Bush, American-led coalition troops did not kill or capture Saddam, but urged Kurds in the north and Shiites in the South to rise up against him. When they did, the United States stood aside and allowed Saddam to slaughter the resisters. Americans have their own explanations for that, but al-Marashi says many Iraqis believe it was all an American plot to strengthen, not weaken, Saddam.

Now what? Al-Marashi sees little difference between the British disaster of the 1920s and the American moves more than 80 years later. The British put in a king to try to preserve their position and the Americans are putting in prime ministers and presidents -- and things will get worse and worse. But perhaps that serves our real intentions, al-Marashi concludes, writing"

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From: holderlin66
Date: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:54 am
Subject: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/Amerika

Bernard Weiner: 'The Bush dictatorship revealed: L'etat c'est moi'
Date: Friday, June 11 @ 10:24:27 EDT
Topic: Commander-In-Thief

By Bernard Weiner, The Crisis Papers

There's only one issue to discuss right now: the extra-constitutional rules and philosophy of the Bush Administration, as revealed in the legal briefs and memos drafted for Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Bush on the torture question.

The underlying philosophy behind the legal briefs and memos in question can be summarized thusly: The President is the Commander-in-Chief. The President says we're in a war. The Commander-in-Chief in a time of war can lay aside all laws and treaties, and do whatever he feels he has to do, in the name of national security.

What this means in practice is: Since in a war against terrorism, there is no definitive end, what the U.S. is waging is permanent war -- against the Al Qaida network and against those nation-states that the president deems worthy of being invaded, for real or invented reasons. Since the president is permitted to establish his own set of laws for the duration of the war, it follows that anyone who criticizes his actions ipso facto is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and can be dealt with at any time by the police agencies of the state. Don't mess with us.

Can't get much closer to dictatorship than that. This is the world, and philosophy, of Pinochet, Stalin, Hitler. Or, closer to home, Richard Nixon, who claimed that when a president takes any action, because he is the president, by definition his actions are not illegal.

"ABOVE THE LAW" NO LONGER A METAPHOR

Note: I'm not saying or suggesting that Bush is Hitler or Stalin or Pinochet, rather that the policies and philosophies expressed, which already have been put into practice and are being defended by the Bush Administration and its supporters, clearly and inevitably takes our country down that road to political dictatorship.

("The breadth of authority in the [memo] report is wholly unprecedented," says Avi Cover, a senior attorney with the U.S. Law and Security programme of Human Rights First, formerly known as Lawyers Committee for Human Rights. "Until now, we've used the rhetoric of a president who is 'above the law,' but this document makes that [assertion] explicit; it's not a metaphor anymore."

Even conservatives that are doing all they can to keep Bush in office, and thus preserve their party's majority status in Congress, are having great difficulty coming to the defense of Bush&Co. on this issue. If impeachment is initiated in the next few months, it will come with the aid of Republicans appalled by these extra-constitutional moves by Bush and his handlers to sidestep the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Congress, the courts, indeed any individual or institution that gets in their way.

Let me reiterate: What is being discussed here is not the torture of detainees or prisoners in the "war on terror." That is an important issue all its own, one that flows naturally from the philosophy being advanced in the leaked memos. (And, by the way, even though Ashcroft has asserted that he will not turn over the memos to the Congress -- which could be grounds for citing him for contempt of Congress -- some of the documents already are out on the internet.

What IS being examined here is the proclaimed right of this Administration to torture anyone, to imprison anyone, to invade any country, simply because (it is claimed) as Commander-in-Chief in a war, he has the sole right to decide who should be prosecuted, imprisoned, tortured, invaded, killed.

/THE SUPREME LEADER

According to this cockamamie interpretation of how America works, the Constitution and Bill of Rights are null and void whenever the president decides to "lay aside" laws and act on his own authority. L'etat c'est moi: I am the State. No legislature, no court, no international body can, or should, get in the way. This is wartime. I am the Supreme Leader. Sieg heil!

You think I'm exaggerating, comparing this totalitarian philosophy of government with those of the Stalinist or Hitlerian states? Just read for yourself the ##52-page memo on the sordid justifications the Bush Administration lawyers thought up to allow for, even facilitate, the torture of suspects in custody.

Now the Bushies will claim that those were just working drafts, or philosophical speculations by government attorneys, never adopted into official policy, never turned into orders or laws. And, in the narrowest sense -- even though government actions to date have mirrored what was laid out in those documents -- they may be correct that Bush never explicitly signed a written order that said "go thou and torture."

But underlings understand what is being communicated by their bosses, based on their demands for information, their body language, the many discussions that have been held on the topic in question, the tone of voice in their wanting certain conclusions to be reached, etc. Hitler, for example, never had to authorize in writing the genocide of six million Jews and Gypsies and homosexuals. He didn't have to: the philosophy of maltreatment and destruction had been hammered out over the months in memorandums and discussions around tables. The word filtered down the chain of command. Everyone knew what they were supposed to do, with no written orders necessary.

In the case of prisoner-torture and abuse at Guantánamo and in Iraq and elsewhere, the memoranda commissioned by the Justice and Defense Departments (with, per usual, only the State Department objecting) laid out the attitude of this radical, extremist Administration: Find us a way that we can extract information from prisoners in our custody that will not amount to war crimes under the various conventions and treaties about torture.

HOW TO GET AROUND THE TREATIES

The ways they came up with, while morally and legally reprehensible, were ingenious. 1) We won't have "prisoners of war," which are covered under the Geneva Conventions; we'll invent new terms not covered, such as "enemy combatants." 2) We will claim a new universal right for the president: acting under his authority as Commander-in-Chief during "wartime," he can authorize whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and all will be justified under his oath to protect the national security. Therefore, whatever he authorizes is not unlawful, because he IS the law.

And, to protect those who carry out and facilitate the torture and abuse, all the president has to do is sign a document authorizing him to fulfill the orders, and, in a magic instant, they are thus immunized from war-crimes charges by any federal or international court because (drum roll, please) they were only "following orders." ("To protect subordinates should they be charged with torture, the memo advised that Mr. Bush issue a 'presidential directive or other writing' that could serve as evidence, since authority to set aside the laws is inherent in the president'." Click heels, arms out.

"If anyone in the higher levels of government acted in reliance on this advice, those persons should be impeached. If they authorized torture, it may be that they have committed, and should be tried for, war crimes. And, as we learned at Nuremberg, 'I was just following orders' is NOT (and should not be) a defense," writes attorney Michael Froomkin. Brazen chutzpah! These swaggering bullies simply dismiss the possible validity of any moral or legal or political judgments other than their own, and (secretly) barrel on full-steam ahead. Why? Because they and they alone know what is Good; everyone who disagrees is either Evil or inadvertently serving the cause of Evil. If the former, they can be imprisoned and/or wiped out; if the latter, they can be charged and punished, which will alert others to keep their traps shut, lest they get the same treatment.

OVERTHROWING THE CONSTITUTION

Our Founding Fathers were all too aware of that type of thinking and government, which is why they rebelled against a tyrannical monarch, and set up their own carefully thought-through system of governance, one designed to prevent any one person or faction from too easily being able to do civic damage in the name of righteousness. The checks-and-balances system of government, with a strong free press ferreting out scandals and dangerous rascals, was designed to ensure democracy and freedom.

That system of government has worked beautifully (if sluggishly) for more than two centuries. But within just a few years, acting out of greed and power-hunger, a few extremist ideologues have tried to turn that system on its head, installing what amounts to a king as president, and woe be unto those who demur or oppose.

Using fear and demagoguery after the terrors of 9/11 -- an attack they knew was coming but did nothing to prevent or ameliorate -- those ideologues manipulated the Congress and populace into giving them a blank check to go after those who perpetrated this terrorist mass-murder, and they've been riding that same horse ever since in service of their other, more extreme agenda. They even invented a non- existent tie-in to 9/11 to justify their invasion of Iraq -- and then, much later, with very little attendant publicity, Bush admitted that there hadn't been any such relationship.

IMPEACHMENT AND ELECTIONS

Friends (and any Democratic office-holders reading this), we either stop this pack of wolves here -- by impeaching them now, or in November throwing them out of the offices they've disgraced -- or we wind up living in a police-state at home, and carrying out more disastrous imperial wars abroad. Is this the country so many veterans have fought and died for? Is this the kind of government you want your kids raised under? Is this, finally, what we've come to in America because we didn't pay enough attention to what was really happening under our noses, and permitted ourselves to be snowed and manipulated so easily?

I think not. It's time for us to raise our voices in a mighty roar to our elected officials, to organize our friends and neighbors, to shout out to the rest of the world that this is not the true America and will not stand.

We will not permit a dictatorship, not matter what is claims as its reasons, to destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights, to damage America's reputation abroad, to place our national interests in such jeopardy, to deform our economy and social system by spending hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign adventurism, to ruin our environment, to close off true learning opportunities to our children.

We've learned our lesson from Vietnam: We will not permit our country to be "destroyed in order to save it." This Administration has to leave. The sooner the better. The longer they stay in power, the worse it is for all of us.

Just go!

Bernard Weiner, Ph.D. in government & international relations, is co-editor of The Crisis Papers (www.crisispapers.org), and a contributing author to the just-released "Big Bush Lies" book, available at bookstores and through RiverWood publishers (www.riverwoodbooks.com/books/Big-Bush-Lies.html).

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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:05 pm
Subject: Page from Ahriman's Playbook

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Toronto/Eric_Margolis/2004/06/13/498164.html

"The justice department, which is supposed to uphold the law, actually sent a memo worthy of the Nazi legal system explaining why the Geneva Conventions and U.S. laws did not apply to "terrorism suspects." Any American may apparently be arrested as a "terrorism suspect," and tortured, according to justice lawyers. Replace "terrorism suspect" with "enemy of the people" and you have Stalin's Soviet tyranny."

"When legal and moral constraints are removed, or undermined, states run rampant over their people's rights. Both Nazi Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union embarked on their monstrous crimes after co- operative lawyers set the legal stage for their actions."

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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:27 pm
Subject: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

Bradford comments;

Prisoner abuse and torture? Let us tell you the spin. When asked, "Oh we got investigations going, (stall, stall, wink, wink, nod, nod). Bush says "The American Soul doesn't believe in torture". How high up did this all go? Right up Bush's butt.

Why isn't Rumsfeld gone? Since we know Ashcroft lied to the 9/11 commission, why isn't he gone? Ashcroft, "I never said, I don't want to hear anymore about terrorists" Ah but witnesses say you did say that. Cheney, this ball of stuffed lies. Did you call Bush to ask to shoot the planes down? Ya, right. Conndi is a liar and they are all waiting for the ship to sink. Sink it I say, Sink it and bury it where the sun doesn't shine.

Rumsfeld, if you can even swallow such trite crap, says he did permit some things, like blindfolding, or standing for a longer than four hours, you know, a little less food on tuesdays and no movies on saturdays, but only for gittmo. What watered down jingo is this? "Bring em ON"- Take the gloves off, Screw the U.N., Screw the Geneva Convention. How utterly gutless every single Senate and Rep remains in the business of covering for Ahriman. Yep, we all got Ahriman in us, but when you are shamefully his tool for all the world to see and Washington so reeks of it, enough so that Hitler keeps coming to everyone's mind, someone needs to hose down the whole sewer.

First, the military and milatry contracts would be slashed and the funding sent to schools where it belonged if I was dictator. All mighty subs, nukes and defense would remain on post. We would get our Avarice ridden mission and military goons out of Iraq and begin negotiations to work out how to share energy in the world. We would take on mutual inspections of everyones nuclear beasts and back down, dismantle, slowly, because someone is going to goof sooner or later, we know it.

The defense program would be humanity and the U.S. setting the standard of learning to know lie from truth and from this humble beginning, unfold deeper and deeper self observation so that each American can be educated enough to see the difference between twisted lie and truth. Defense would start from the heart.

Bradford would declare Las Vegas the Luciferic Center for understanding the mysteries of sensual and soul 'lite' corrruption. Washington and Wall street would have giant neon signs placed over entrances to certain buildings, "Ahriman's gambling and Avarice School, Avarice from Atlantis to today" Remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Avarice for refined understanding of Ahrimanic and Asuric destinies from Atlantis to Aztc, to Ghengis and Ghandi Shapur to Popes, Rome, Phillip the Fair and The Minority Report. Cloning for fun and profit. Remaking the Earth in man's stupidity.

As for Asuras well, with Torture techniques, Sadistic Porno, Snuff videos and public beheadings as well as the private stock of pictures from various torture chambers in Israel, Abu Ghraib and other places, we are drifting into the shattering Asuric tastes that Steiner described. This has become a Lilth theme that apparently leads to Sorath's central shattered I AM mystery.

How about we try Saddam and Bush, one in Baghdad the other at the Hague for War crimes. Have you any idea, dear friends, have you any idea at all, in our thick heads, what would happen if we were able to see all the footage of the torture, rape, and murder videos and photographs that the Military is sitting on now? Do you have any idea what an outrage the entire world would have? I say show them all, and make a humanitarian museum out of Abu Ghraib. Show the pattern of how Nazi culture almost took over the 21st century. Show the players, the lies and the deceptions.

Why aren't we seeing the 1000 hours of film on this? So the story will cool down, so the weak and slimy credibility and the current, look in the camera and lie, George Bush can lull the media back into its hypnotic power. The country would sizzle as Sy Hersh who has seen these tapes knows. Michael Moore's little film, would look like a nice Disney cartoon, compared to the atrocity ridden film from torture sessions the military is keeping from the public. Why should we even think of going numb now, with Bush and all the big mouthed mockery he had of the U.N. and Geneva convention. I say, hang em high and don't dare fall asleep and merely let the military investigate itself. Show the Asuric torture schools so we can get a handle on hypocrisy and cognition before we sail into more nightmares without a compass.

Bring down the whole rotten deck of cards and shatter the Ahrimanic deceptions now, before any more of this leaks into brains unchecked. Without anymore Military boyscouts with moral codes of Trolls and Orcs, and smelling like Navy Seals get all hot about saving the world. Turn the whole thing around with a huge global apology and catharsis. MY plan is so unrealistic that assassinations, out and out civil war and nightmare would erupt once the scurvy varmits hiding in Bush and Sharon and world leaders everywhere had no place to hide from the conscience of the world. Remember Village of the Damned? Well just watch if you let all those nightmare torture videos out. The eyes of the world would go white.

I am sick and tired of hearing how Terrorists are inhuman. The living lie is that Palastine and Arabs just have got all the oil and we just won't leave them alone and the Whining Israel Lords of American Economy have planned for these times and we all have fallen for it. Terrorists wouldn't become terrorists at all if all the diabolical sinister betrayals and scoffing at humanity and fairness didn't come from the very top of every selfish decision we make.

Published on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 by the Miami Herald
Bush's Accurate Case for War
by Robert Steinback

Let's alter history just a little bit, and imagine that President Bush had given us an accurate case for war in Iraq 18 months ago.

``My fellow Americans, I'm appearing before you today to ask for your support as I make the most solemn decision a president can make: Committing our military troops to war.

``We must remove Saddam Hussein from power, although his only known threat to the United States is that he hates us. While we know that Hussein possessed and used weapons of mass destruction in the past, we have no evidence that he has them today or that he's making more. But he hasn't proved that he doesn't have them, and this constitutes an urgent threat to America.

``So we must act now, because Hussein, who had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks, might choose to give the WMDs that he doesn't have to Osama bin Laden, with whom he has never collaborated.

Hussein hasn't attacked us

``That's why I've decided to shift the bulk of our military resources away from catching bin Laden, who has already attacked us and vows to do so again, so that we can pursue a man who hasn't attacked us and almost certainly can't, based on the remote possibility that he'll give aid to bin Laden, who no longer is my top priority.

``My fellow Americans, the case is clear. We must liberate the Iraqi people, though we have little evidence that they want us to invade their country. We must give them a chance at democracy, though history strongly suggests that a Western attempt to impose a government in this part of the world is doomed to fail.

``Our very presence is likely to attract terrorists from all over the region and inspire new recruits, dedicated to undermining our attempts to impose a new government.

``Still, we must ensure the establishment of a new, friendly government in Baghdad that won't have a prayer of survival without our help. Before long, they'll beg us to establish a military base in Iraq -- which is our primary objective. That, in theory, will enable us to threaten every other Middle Eastern nation that dares to stand against us. Peace will reign, oil will flow and profits will accumulate. Admittedly, experts consider this a pretty far-fetched scenario, but we can't fail because God is on our side. He tells me so.

Dangerous attorney general

``But we face a long, difficult, bloody operation. More than 800 American soldiers will die and 4,000 will be maimed during the first 15 months of war. We'll honor them by saying that their sacrifices helped preserve American freedom, which in fact is threatened more by my attorney general than by Hussein.

``In addition, this war will put us at odds with France, Germany and many other of our traditional allies. But we'll work to repair those ruptured bonds soon, when we go crawling back to the world community pleading for it to bail us out of the tar pit into which we're about to leap.

``And so, my fellow Americans, I'm asking you to commit a modest $200 billion of your hard-earned money over the next two years to support this patriotic endeavor. Don't worry; your money will be in good hands, as we will hand out billions in no-bid contracts to corporations well known to people in my administration.

``And you can count on firm leadership from me until our mission is accomplished. So that you never lose faith in me, I will refuse to take responsibility for anything that goes wrong, whether it's intelligence failures, prisoner-abuse scandals or insufficient body armor for our troops.

``I'd like to tell you that America will prevail and that terrorism will be defeated. But I'm here to give an honest evaluation of our situation.

Strategy a `total disaster'

'So I am compelled to tell you that more than two dozen retired military brass and diplomats from both major parties who doubt the wisdom and sanity of my call for war will take the unprecedented step of publicly describing my strategy as a `total disaster.' They'll say that my approach will make the world less safe, alienate us from the very allies we need to help construct a global anti-terrorism alliance and undermine our national prestige and honor.

``And they'll be right. But here is the ultimate truth that so many of my un-American, unpatriotic critics overlook: You won't care. You'll still like me and support me, no matter how badly things turn out. That's because you have short memories, and you'll believe just about anything I tell you, even if it contradicts what I've told you before.

``So, in closing, let me say, God bless you, and God bless America.''

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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Asura 101

As for Asuras well, with Torture techniques, Sadistic Porno, Snuff videos and public beheadings as well as the private stock of pictures from various torture chambers in Israel, Abu Ghraib and other places, we are drifting into the shattering Asuric tastes that Steiner described. This has become a Lilth theme that apparently leads to Sorath's central shattered I AM mystery.

Have you any idea, dear friends, have you any idea at all, in our thick heads, what would happen if we were able to see all the footage of the torture, rape, and murder videos and photographs that the Military is sitting on now? Do you have any idea what an outrage the entire world would have? I say show them all, and make a humanitarian museum out of Abu Ghraib. Show the pattern of how Nazi culture almost took over the 21st century. Show the players, the lies and the deceptions.

The country would sizzle as Sy Hersh who has seen these tapes knows. Michael Moore's little film, would look like a nice Disney cartoon, compared to the atrocity ridden film from torture sessions the military is keeping from the public. Show the Asuric torture schools so we can get a handle on hypocrisy and cognition before we sail into more nightmares without a compass.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/062404A.shtml

Torture: Bush Reaps What Kennedy Sowed
By Steve Weissman
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Thursday 24 June 2004

New photos of American soldiers raping and killing Iraqis will likely emerge in the coming days, as Secretary Rumsfeld obliquely warned us weeks ago. Far more graphic than any images we have yet seen, they will again drag Team Bush through the mud, further mocking their claims to uphold human rights and mucking up their celebration of "Iraqi sovereignty."

Taking the scandal beyond coercive interrogation, the new horror show will make real the brutality that war brings out, especially against men and women who look, dress, talk, eat, and worship in ways that seem so foreign. In young soldiers from Kansas and West Virginia, we will see the same contempt that European conquerors showed in their colonial flings, even as they preached the Word of God or the Values of Western Civilization. In jargon of an electronic age, we will hear the blood-curdling echoes of earlier American heroes wresting control of an entire continent from those who lived there before, not to mention those pumped-up imperial forays across the Pacific and into Latin America.

Remember Manifest Destiny and the White Man's Burden, the high-minded phrases that hid the old down-and-dirty? War on Terror, Democracy (of an export kind), and the New American Century follow in the same tradition, celebrated or despised depending on which side of the boot one sees and who ends up with the oil. Only now, most of the world - and growing numbers of Americans - want to shed the whole bloody business.

Which brings us back to those coercive interrogation techniques. Call them stress and duress, torture-lite, or just plain torture, they remain central to America's colonial adventures from Vietnam to Iraq.

When John F. Kennedy entered the White House in 1961, he and his advisors looked warily at the growing nationalism in the old European colonies. Self-proclaimed communists - like Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam or Fidel Castro in Cuba - raised a red flag, while even non-communists - like Sukarno in Indonesia - threatened Western control of oil and strategic minerals.

JFK responded by sending several thousand more Americans into Southeast Asia and proclaiming his Alliance for Progress in Latin America. Scholars and conspiracy addicts still speculate on whether he would have further escalated or pulled out of Vietnam had he not been killed, but his impact south of the border became obvious early on. Whatever his original intent, his liberal sounding Alliance helped native elites stave off needed reforms, defended yanqui corporations, and strengthened local armies. Six military coups overthrew civilian governments before he died, and a seventh took control in Brazil a few months after.

JFK favored the kind of muscular foreign policy that today's neo-conservatives push, and many of them at the time supported his approach, whatever the human cost or long-range consequences.

Both in Vietnam and Latin America, Kennedy relied heavily on American military advisors, many of them Green Berets, in whom he showed enormous interest. They knew how to withstand torture. They also knew how to apply it - and how to teach client armies to do the same.

Fighting in foreign lands against rebels who often had at-least passive support from their people, the US advisors and the armies they trained needed to produce intelligence on the run. Torture, or coercive interrogation, was one way to get it.

Whether to elicit information or simply to terrorize the opposition, torture had historically played a role in holding down rebellious population. But, always in character, the New Frontier brought new thinking to bear.

The theory came initially from the CIA's Office of Science and Technology, which spent a fortune studying how to make unwilling people talk. Starting in the 1950s, the spooky scientists tested LSD and other drugs, brainwashing, hypnosis, polygraphs, electric shock, and a wide range of other physical and psychological pressures.

They also borrowed from the French, who perfected their torture techniques in losing colonial wars against the Vietnamese and Algerians. No doubt, the British "cousins" also offered ideas from their equally nasty effort to hold an empire together.

The CIA summed up this macabre research in a classified manual they called "KUBARK Counter Intelligence Interrogation - July 1963." KUBARK was code for the CIA, which used the ideas in its murderous Operation Phoenix in Vietnam. The US military also used the manual extensively, notably at Fort Benning's School of the Americas, teaching it to upcoming officers from throughout the hemisphere and helping create the most notorious tyrants and torturers.

One passage strikes almost everyone who sees it: In choosing an interrogation site, "the electric current should be known in advance, so that transformers and other modifying devices will be on hand if needed."

But the KUBARK manual goes far beyond how to create pain. In fact, it points out the limitations. "Direct physical brutality creates only resentment, hostility, and further defiance," the authors warn. "The threat of coercion usually weakens or destroys resistance more effectively than coercion itself. The threat to inflict pain, for example, can trigger fears more damaging than the immediate sensation of pain."

Read the manual for yourself. You can find it - and a Reagan-era update - online at the National Security Archive. Here you will see exactly why the Pentagon wanted young prison guards at Abu Ghraib to keep the Iraqis naked, sexually humiliate them, sic dogs on them, force them into stress positions, continually break up their eating and sleeping routines, deprive them of sensory stimulation, and apply several other clear-cut violations of the Geneva Conventions.

As the 1963 manual makes clear, the Pentagon's goal in 2003 was not to produce unbearable pain. Instead, the Pentagon wanted to exploit their captives' internal conflicts, make them wrestle in themselves, force them to regress toward childhood, make them feel dread and guilt, and render them unable to hold back information interrogators wanted.

Whether in Afghanistan, Guantánamo, Iraq, or its global gulag of secret torture centers, Team Bush did not conjure all this up as they rushed to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Stress and duress, and the people trained to use it, have been in the American arsenal for years. They were there ready for the administration to use. Bush lawyers did not even have to think up the argument that stress and duress was something less than torture. The canard has been around as long as the techniques themselves.

Where Bush and his advisers showed their originality was in characteristically going too far. The KUBARK manual warned field interrogators never to use the techniques without explicit approval of higher-ups, who would weigh the need for intelligence against the risk that outsiders might learn that Americans were using torture.

Later versions carried warning labels: "The use of force, mental torture, threats, insults or exposure to inhumane treatment of any kind as an aid to interrogation is prohibited by law, both international and domestic; it is neither authorized nor condoned."

"While we deplore the use of coercive techniques, we do want to make you aware of them so that you may avoid them."

Beyond the obvious CYA, the Pentagon and CIA both tried to maintain plausible denial, having senior officials decide when to apply which methods, or letting foreign nationals do most of the dirty work. Mr. Bush ignored such restraints, making wholesale, even boastful use of coercive techniques that his predecessors had tried to use on the sly.

Mr. Bush will continue to proclaim that torture is un-American and that he has ordered "humane treatment" for those his forces capture. But no one will believe him or his successors unless Congress makes into binding law the notion best expressed by Michael Ignatieff, a professor at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government.

"I just think we need to start with one simple idea, which is that liberal democracies do not torture, ever, period," says Ignatieff. "Wars on terror are a battle for hearts and minds. We can't win a battle for hearts and minds if we are seen to be torturing and abusing people in our care."

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From: Jo Ann Schwartz
Date: Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

Bradford comments;

I am sick and tired of hearing how Terrorists are inhuman. The living lie is that Palastine and Arabs just have got all the oil and we just won't leave them alone and the Whining Israel Lords of American Economy have planned for these times and we all have fallen for it. Terrorists wouldn't become terrorists at all if all the diabolical sinister betrayals and scoffing at humanity and fairness didn't come from the very top of every selfish decision we make.

Reminds me of one of my favorite protest signs:

"How did our oil get beneath their desert?"

Give 'em hell...

Musing on man's inhumanity to man....

JoAnn

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From: Frank Thomas Smith
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

How about this scenario: Bush & co. really believed that there were WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam constituted a real and present danger? The oil was also a consideration, but not the prime cause. In either case, though, nothing imo can excuse the suicide bombers, or rather the cynical power brokers (Bin Laden, Arafat, etc.) behind them who don't, after all, blow themselves up. Inhuman no, diabolical nihilists yes. Now don't blow your top, Bradford.

Frank

Bradford comments;

I am sick and tired of hearing how Terrorists are inhuman. The living lie is that Palastine and Arabs just have got all the oil and we just won't leave them alone and the Whining Israel Lords of American Economy have planned for these times and we all have fallen for it. Terrorists wouldn't become terrorists at all if all the diabolical sinister betrayals and scoffing at humanity and fairness didn't come from the very top of every selfish decision we make.

Reminds me of one of my favorite protest signs:

"How did our oil get beneath their desert?"

Give 'em hell...

Musing on man's inhumanity to man....

JoAnn

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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

Frank Thomas Smith wrote:

How about this scenario: Bush & co. really believed that there were WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam constituted a real and present danger? The oil was also a consideration, but not the prime cause. In either case, though, nothing imo can excuse the suicide bombers, or rather the cynical power brokers (Bin Laden, Arafat, etc.) behind them who don't, after all, blow themselves up. Inhuman no, diabolical nihilists yes. Now don't blow your top, Bradford.

Bradford raises up on his high horse;

Over the top, too much, make a big deal, throw a hissy fit! Frank, what do you take me far? Everyone knows I am a calm Olympian pie salesman. I just throw the pies, who knows where they land. If someones face gets in the way of my pie...now who is to blame. They should watch where I throw my pies...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan4.html

"This is the war we are losing. And to win this struggle, the United States needs to do three things that may go against the political interests of both parties: Stand up for justice for the Palestinians. Remove our imperial presence. Cease to intervene in their internal affairs.

We Americans once stood for all that. And if we go only where we are invited, we would be invited more often to come and help.

[reverse snip]

"Thus, it is a good time to attempt to draw up an interim profit-and- loss statement of what President Bush has accomplished in what he calls the "War on Terror." Who is winning this war?

To answer that question, we must first ask and answer antecedent questions. What is the war about? What are we fighting for? Who, exactly, is the enemy in this war? What is he fighting for?

Since 9-11, the president's objectives have been to exact retribution for the massacre, overthrow the Taliban enablers of Osama, run Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan, remove Saddam, disarm Iraq and defend America. He has attained them all. Yet, 54 percent of Americans believe invading Iraq was a mistake. The nation understands that something has gone wrong.

The nation is right. For what this war is really about is who shall rule in the Islamic world. Will it be the men who share our views and values? Or will it be True Believers who will purge that world of what they see as our odious and corrupt presence?

What our enemies seek in the great Sunni Triangle from Rabat to Chechnya to Mindanao is what the Iranian Revolution achieved: to be rid of the Americans and of rulers that they view as vile puppets of the United States, to purify their societies and to unite their world against the West.

If this is indeed the ultimate goal of the radical Islamists, the U.S. invasion of Iraq was a strategic victory for the enemy.

Consider what has happened as a result of our war on Iraq. An enemy of Islamic fundamentalism, Saddam, has been removed. His secular Ba'ath Party is gone. A vacuum has opened up in Iraq that the Islamists and their allies may one day fill. The Arab world has been radicalized and supports the Iraqi resistance in its drive to defeat and expel the Americans.

The destabilization of the Saudi monarchy through terror has begun. Rulers in Arab countries have been forced to distance themselves from the Americans if they wish to retain the support of their people. Western tourists are staying away from the Middle East, Western investment is on hold, and Western workers have begun to depart Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

"There exists today a hatred of Americans never equaled in the region," Egyptian President Mubarak told Le Monde. "In the beginning, some people thought the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred toward Americans. After what happened in Iraq, there is an unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it."

This longtime friend added, "American and Israeli interests are not safe, not only in our region but in other parts of the world, in Europe, in America, anywhere in the world." The war on Iraq into which his neo-conservative advisers prodded the president seems to have ignited the very "war of civilizations" between Islam and America that the president said he wanted to avoid.

Raised to believe in the innate goodness of America and the nobility of her purposes, President Bush finds it hard to believe the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda and the Iraqi insurgents have is the presence on Iraqi soil of the U.S. soldiers he sent to "liberate" Iraq. "

Bradford concludes;

Frank I gave you more virgins than you deserve. I gave most everybody 72 virgins and you have used most of those virgins up. Now for the Anthro Impaired, this goes back to exactly what Luciferic Paradigm, not unlike "Heavens Gate" paradigm, certify, REgistered Trademark, LUCIFER! As to how various failed idea from the great thinkers of the East and the great thinkers of the West, have failed to understand the 72 virgin insight I laid out awhile back on this list.

What Prophets do they listen to? What Prophets, under the Neocon sun do we listen to? Everyone of them are stupid. Now you want to split hairs with someone who isn't paying attention my dear beloved Frank, do so. But unless you can move the argument into the sphere of failed thinking capacities in both the East and West and a failed attempt at a humanistic resolution of tragedy in Palastine, you are just a kindly ole Virgin pouncer.

If this argument was too abstract and vague for you Frank. We got issues. Maybe you had put in a search on this list for 72 and see what you come up with. All my love brother Frank and your little dog too.

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From: dottie zold
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

Bradford:

Consider what has happened as a result of our war on Iraq. An enemy of Islamic fundamentalism, Saddam, has been removed. His secular Ba'ath Party is gone. A vacuum has opened up in Iraq that the Islamists and their allies may one day fill. The Arab world has been radicalized and supports the Iraqi resistance in its drive to defeat and expel the Americans.

And consider what else has happened as a result of this war: the sleeping giant has awoken within. The political party split has been swayed back towards unity. The people are asking questions and are waking up to the lies political parties will tell. Suddenly the politicians are being seen for the manipulative son of a guns that they are. Truly. America and her people are awakening from a long sleep as are the middle eastern communities. And we are seeing the Pentagon and we are seeing the Authorative powers that be in Washington being brought to their knees. The country is facing a cataclysmic opportunity to awaken to the horrors of war and those that lie to get their way.

Not only did the sleeping giant awaken within our neighborhoods but they are also awakening us to the Media and the devil that beats within it. This is all for future endeavors and they all have their tales between their legs. (What a saying) Anyhow, we are now preparing for that which will come down the road with the Anti-Christ. We shall remember this moment. And Mr. Bush, Osama and Saddam have served us well. Believe it or not. If it has happened all we can look at is what it serves for the future. We can not look back other than to see how we might do things better. And now we have a frame of reference that serves the Angel of Peace. We shall not fall into that whole 'patriotic' bullshit that turned one against the other. We have been played once in this lifetime and will not have it happen again.

My thoughts,
d

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From: Jo Ann Schwartz
Date: Thu Jul 1, 2004 9:21 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

--- Frank Thomas Smith wrote:

How about this scenario: Bush & co. really believed that there were WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam constituted a real and present danger? The oil was also a consideration, but not the prime cause. In either case, though, nothing imo can excuse the suicide bombers, or rather the cynical power brokers (Bin Laden, Arafat, etc.) behind them who don't, after all, blow themselves up. Inhuman no, diabolical nihilists yes.

Querido Frankie mio,

I agree that BushCo probably believed there were WMDs in Iraq. I thought Richard Clarke phrased it quite nicely back in March, when he noted that the BushCo team seemed "preserved in amber"** -- unwilling or unable to acknowledge that the world had changed in the eight years they had been out of power.

IMNHO, both BushCo and the terrorist camps are filled with cynical power brokers who don't, after all, blow themselves up. Diabolical nihilists indeed.

Musing on where have all the soldiers gone...
JoAnn

** Fuller quote:

"I blame the entire Bush leadership for continuing to work on Cold War issues when they [came] back in power in 2001. It was as though they were preserved in amber from when they left office eight years earlier. They came back. They wanted to work on the same issues right away: Iraq, Star Wars. Not new issues, the new threats that had developed over the preceding eight years." Richard Clarke on CBS, March 2004 [Thanks to Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo for preserving the quote: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/002737.php ]

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:33 pm
Subject: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

"Rumsfeld's twenty-four detention facilities used in the "Global War on Terror" - including sites in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, and aboard U.S. Navy warships like the USS Bataan - were exposed and demonstrated that the Bush administration is quite capable of running Soviet-style Gulags."

Bradford comments;

So what is under this rat's nest? Sometimes you think we are somehow kidding about the SS, Nazi comparisons and fascism. Somehow Ahrimanic Symptomology, is certainly not a fun item for summer contemplation, I agree. Nor is it fun to consider the 24 potential two times 12 detention centers, run by Israel torture experts, Skinheads recruited out of the U.S. and here we have Rumsfeld still at his post and us trying Saddam for Warcrimes. Sham and Shame when the growing monsters are right under our noses, in our own house and Senate, in these nests of liars...but it is only a matter of inwardly knowing what it is you see and what it is you know. For if you know these things that the Press will not tell the world, you cannot be duped again and again to follow Soul Retardation and a President into the destruction of a country and a people illegally and merely say OOPs to the world community!

Powerful lessons laid on the foundation of human life and stare us in the face. It seems to happen every generation or so. We can be thankful for all we see, if we look carefuly today. We see the Shadow subculture of Asuras as Steiner clearly indicated coming up slowly from below. We can look at clear definitions of Soul development parading in photo op after photo op. Bush as a Sentient/ uncultured Intellect Soul retard is the wonderful flawed gem that was chosen to be manipulated by a very powerful Ahrimanic group. Project for a New American Century has used the shadowy fruits of the most advanced Intellectual Soul, Wolf/Rome education of Political Science, that goes right back to Weimar and Leo Strass and Ahriman's first strike intent, and shifts right over to the crack in the world, where Christ was crucified and tore the fabric of the world between Ahriman and Lucifer in twain, The State of Israel. Who really stole the I.D.'s of Saudi Arabia and crashed into the Twin Towers, Jachim and Boaz? Who would drool to see Islam crushed?

Raw, undigested Fundamentalism and Ahrimanized Intellect shape the world in judaism, christianinity and islam. While hanging on the fringes the Michael School pieces together the torn fragments of intention and motive. It learns that indeed, Ahriman is like rust, it never dies. And instead of mature humans with insight, we require the Luciferic forces of Islam now, in the 21st century to resist Ahriman and in resisting cause Orwellian, endless War destruction. These are the choices humanity constantly makes. Never willingly to become conscious of itself. Here the Christ Event studied in Spiritual Science is looked upon as Evil and Enemy number one in every Fundamentalist gathering. The great deeds of Initiates, the work of Angels and Brotherhood on Earth, burning lessons in sifting the horrific motives of mankind. Motives that only Spiritual Science and mature humanism can shed light on...make all of fundamentalism hysterical with withhunts for evil doers and calls for crusades Jihaders alike.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=16948

"Feith created the disinformation about Iraqi WMDs and then Rumsfeld/Cambone used torture as a tactic to elicit false confessions and exaggerated claims under extreme duress. It is a tactic that SS Commander Heinrich Himmler and Soviet KGB Chief Levrenti Beria practiced so well in Germany and the USSR, respectively. No one claims that the USA and Israel rise to the level of Nazi and Soviet torturers, but, it is too early to say.

The potential recruitment pool in the USA among American racist organizations, incited by George Bush and many American "holy land" ideologues in power in Washington, DC, makes for bad dreams. Middle Ages Crusade propaganda still sells! Add to that the constant propaganda about "the other races hate our way of life" (might they want to charge a fair price for fuel) vomited from the US news media and the madness of Rumsfeld's worldview (imagine the idiocy of a Rumsfeld who could marvel that US soldiers have digital cameras and that he stands-up for 8 to10 hours a day so, then why can't prisoners?) - makes one wonder about his connection to reality. So goes the DOD.

They, like their American counterparts, make for great recruits. The scary part is that neither government can control them - or, perhaps, does not want to get involved.

Unfortunately, the question of the legality of Rumsfeld's personal intelligence operation in TortureGate, and all the connections, has received the glancing interest of Congress and the US media. But as more evidence of the illegal nature of the Pentagon's operations comes to light, and that of its associates, there is a clear need for the International Criminal Court to conduct its own investigation of the role of Rumsfeld's ersatz intelligence operation in committing human rights abuses in Iraq and elsewhere around the world.

Rumsfeld's twenty-four detention facilities used in the "Global War on Terror" - including sites in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, and aboard U.S. Navy warships like the USS Bataan - were exposed and demonstrated that the Bush administration is quite capable of running Soviet-style Gulags."

holderlin wrote:

Rumsfeld, if you can even swallow such trite crap, says he did permit some things, like blindfolding, or standing for a longer than four hours, you know, a little less food on tuesdays and no movies on saturdays, but only for gittmo. What watered down jingo is this? "Bring em ON"- Take the gloves off, Screw the U.N., Screw the Geneva Convention. How utterly gutless every single Senate and Rep remains in the business of covering for Ahriman. Yep, we all got Ahriman in us, but when you are shamefully his tool for all the world to see and Washington so reeks of it, enough so that Hitler keeps coming to everyone's mind, someone needs to hose down the whole sewer.

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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

"Rumsfeld's twenty-four detention facilities used in the "Global War on Terror"-including sites in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, and aboard U.S. Navy warships like the USS Bataan-were exposed and demonstrated that the Bush administration is quite capable of running Soviet-style Gulags."

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

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From: holderlin66
Date: Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:55 am
Subject: Page from Ahriman's Playbook/ Global Catharsis

holderlin wrote:

"Rumsfeld's twenty-four detention facilities used in the "Global War on Terror" - including sites in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, and aboard U.S. Navy warships like the USS Bataan - were exposed and demonstrated that the Bush administration is quite capable of running Soviet-style Gulags."

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

"Seymour Hersh says the US government has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. "The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking," the reporter told an ACLU convention last week. Hersh says there was "a massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there, and higher."

Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok. Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib which is 30 miles from Baghdad [...] The women were passing messages saying "Please come and kill me, because of what's happened". Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.

It's impossible to say to yourself how do we get there? who are we? Who are these people that sent us there?"

http://www.aclu.org/2004memberconf/Program/program.htm

Gala Dinner: America at a Crossroads: Journalists and Artists Share Their Perspectives (video) Speakers include writer and radio commentator Sandra Tsing Loh,filmmaker John Sayles presents clips from his latest film, and keynote address by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. Entertainment by comedian Greg Proops.

Bradford Previously ranted;

As for Asuras well, with Torture techniques, Sadistic Porno, Snuff videos and public beheadings as well as the private stock of pictures from various torture chambers in Israel, Abu Ghraib and other places, we are drifting into the shattering Asuric tastes that Steiner described. This has become a Lilth theme that apparently leads to Sorath's central shattered I AM mystery.

How about we try Saddam and Bush, one in Baghdad the other at the Hague for War crimes. Have you any idea, dear friends, have you any idea at all, in our thick heads, what would happen if we were able to see all the footage of the torture, rape, and murder videos and photographs that the Military is sitting on now? Do you have any idea what an outrage the entire world would have? I say show them all, and make a humanitarian museum out of Abu Ghraib. Show the pattern of how Nazi culture almost took over the 21st century. Show the players, the lies and the deceptions.

The country would sizzle as Sy Hersh who has seen these tapes knows. Michael Moore's little film, would look like a nice Disney cartoon, compared to the atrocity ridden film from torture sessions the military is keeping from the public. Show the Asuric torture schools so we can get a handle on hypocrisy and cognition before we sail into more nightmares without a compass.

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