Last Supper

 

From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:13 pm
Subject: Last Supper

Friends,

I am way tired but need to share this last thing.

On Judas: If we look at Da Vinci's Last Supper we will notice that Jesus has 'given' the bread to Judas with one hand and points to the bread on the other side with an open gesture.

On Luke: (twin for me at this point for some reason) It seems to me that the figure of Judas looks behind Jesus. If we follow his eyes we find an exact replica of the other profile to his face in the one who is noted as being Thomas. What is interesting about this is that this 'Thomas' has his hands pointing up in the air. For me this signifies the understanding that the 'betrayal' was known even then to be of a higher calling.

On Peter: He is directly behind Judas. Unbelievable. The two in one betrayal in my thoughts: the Son and Daughter.

On Andrew: His hands are up in the air as 'I have no part in this'. And he is leaning away from Judas and Peter in a sense is how I sense it right now.

I saw another picture of the Last Supper and it seemed to me that Jesus was actually offering two pieces of bread in a manner as to see 'who would pick up this difficult part in the story: who would betray him. And it seems that James the greater stands back horrified at such a calling.

Yes, the more I look at this painting the more it comes to me that noone wanted to take up the grave angelic calling of betraying the Christ. However, Peter has no doubt to take his target out of the game. And of this the church must fall and a new thing built.

Okay, goodnight,
d

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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Last Supper

Here is a site that shows the last supper as I have seen it best so far.

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/L/leonardo/lastsupp.jpg.html

if you hit on the picture it will enlarge and then you can even enlarge it to 150% to see even a closer picture if you would like.

Rembrands is there as well but I did not find what I was looking for in regards to a knife.

If the site above does not work please go to biblia.com and you can chose Da Vinci's page.

d

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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:56 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Last Supper

Happy Venerdi,

In looking further at the Last Supper page I come to the idea that Judas is looking at the Mother and not behind Jesus although I do believe the fellow said to be Thomas is connected to that particular scene with his finger pointing up.

If we look at the site I offered yesterday that is found at

http://www.artchive.com/archive/L/leonardo/lastsupp.jpg.html

one can see a little light or something up above in the rafters. Well, not exactly a light but something is there and vaguely (sp:( looks like a little old oil lamp or something. I kept looking at it this morning and couldn't figure out exactly what it was. And then suddenly I noticed a figure of the Christ that Dr. Steiner has as his centerpiece with Ahriman, Lucifer and so forth. (the carved one) But that is up for interpretation obviously.

However, going back to look at Rembrandt this morning I find what Judas is looking at: The Mother!

On this site you must mark Rembrandt under Last Supper, it is right at the top of the page and it will show itself to you:

http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharist.htm

Mike, you will recall we had this conversation before regarding the various figures or intimations of figures within this art piece. So, look to where Judas is looking in the first site and then look to where he is looking over at Rembrandts site. Notice in the rafters of the first site a singular thing that stands out just a bit and could be put down to a flying saucer:))))))

Love to All,

Dottie

p.s. if anyone has made it this far I am wondering if Jesus indeed was sacrificed on Venerdi? If so this would be Venus day. Anyway that is what I woke up with this morning and I am wondering what day he was born on according to Dr. Steiner? Did he ever mention the day?

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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:05 am
Subject: Re: Last Supper

http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharist.htm

Oh my God Mike, it's the Mother in both pieces. This is where Rembrandt got his figures from Da Vinci's Last Supper. She is right there!!! That is why I needed his sketch because he caught the behind the scene thing that Da Vinci was covering up in a way. Reminds me of how Dr. Steiner says at a certain point certain people can see through the air so to speak, well in my own terms. They see the forms. Well, we see the forms:) if we can.

Both pictures I am referring to can be seen at the above site.

It's gonna be a day until the Ressurection isn't it? Normally I go through some burning bush thing but this year I thought I am just sleeping through it as my mind is not on it at all. But now I can see what is happening. Wow.

d

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From: dottie zold
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:16 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Last Supper

http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharist.htm

Mike, not only is it the Mother but the CHILD as well! Right behind Jesus' head as in the Rembrandt figure. So, we have the Mother and Child! Holy cow it's like we left signs in a way. Remember we were discussing who that being was behind Jesus in the Rembrandt. Well, in the Da Vinci she is in the bossom of the Mother to the our left in between Jesus and Magdalene/John. You can see the eyes and then you will see the face.

d

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From: holderlin66
Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:06 am
Subject: Re: Last Supper

dottie_z wrote:

not only is it the Mother but the CHILD as well! Right behind Jesus' head as in the Rembrandt figure. So, we have the Mother and Child!

Give me a ticket for the MOTHER LODGE
Ain't got time to stay parked in my garage
Lonely days are gone, I'm going to the MOTHER LODGE
MR. Divinci just wrote me a letter

I don't care how much money I got to spend
Got to get back to Rembrandt again
Lonely days are gone, I'm goin, to the Mother Lodge
Mr. Divinci just wrote me a letter

He wrote me a letter
Said He couldn't live misunderstood no more
Listen sista, can't you see
Got to get back to The Mother Lodge once more
Anyway, Thanks Rembrandt you showed me the way.

(terminal announcer)

"Gate three, bound for Trinity New Mexico, Kansas and the Mother Lodge, now boarding 1st class passengers."

Bradford comments;

I once had a heck of an interesting week in London (I lived there for 2 years), I was 20, I guess. I was living there, just had my two children and it was coming up on the week of Easter. Well, for a time, I think it was Bock or something, I was so immersed in it, I could read every detail of every minor indication of the Holy Week, as if it glared, whispered, shouted out of the wood work from the bus, side walk and where I worked. (There were highly intimate and subjective clues, but in my training wheels of soul, I recognized them)

Oh it was little details, directly connected to my subjective spiritual focus. I found that the whole world speaks to whatever you carry inwardly. It presents to you, psycho drama events, particularly if you need a lesson. Lets say, I am getting really aggressive, impatient..very likely I will get a ticket, perhaps a minor fender bender, depending on the force of my will pressing out.

But I studied that the inner mood swings, left uncontrolled, or even enjoyed, caused a kind of liquid wobble in the etheric. There was a need to remain, yes passionate, but also see the difference between my own inner field of observation and outer events. This is a wonderful state of Goethean balance. I found it a definite stage of inner development, where subjectivity no longer dominated nor did I think I was living, by riding mood swings. This is a great mistake with people. They imagine the ups and downs of feeling and mood swings that THEY GENERATE FOR THEMSELVES to be living. Dysfunction.

Once you discover that the I Ching, the Tarot, dice, whatever, are not needed because the "Be Here Now" reality, is that you are always in the picture at all times. You can jack it up more subjectively, but that colors the Goethean impressions that the world offers you.

Now this thing about No one, and I mean no one, is out of the loop, outside the paradigm, everyone is in the Akashic, with every step they take. The Stars are writing on the soul and the soul is writing on the world with every thought, every feeling, every action. Crossing the threshold, you go through a portal, you see your entire life, no one is out of the loop, of the Law. Nobody is off duty around us, it a great system.

If you entertain the icy beast Ahriman in your soul, you see fragments of this ice and the slender fragments of what your real heart truly believed and you see pieces of this heart torn away to Ahriman's kingdom and you understand why this was so. The point is, Freedom is a real fact, but it more has to do with what we are unconscious of and what we imagine freedom is.

Freedom to do anything we want from murder to manipulating Dr. Steiner, to being a junkie yesterday and a prize fighter tomorrow are all only bouncing off the walls of Freedom. The beauty of the system, with this Maya, is that we don't see the friggin walls. Our thoughts do travel like light. Humanity can think itself into total darkness. NO matter what we do, we can never run away from you... but that is to say, that we are always in the bosom of the Will of Heaven and our growth and development is being very carefully, accurately and correctly Clocked. That is why the new Michael School paradigm is a University without walls.

Once you relax into this, and understand what honesty, Love of Wisdom and Sophia means and you have the great opportunity to come closer to understanding portions of the Michael School, history changes, vision changes and very slowly this garment of the AnthroSophic Soul, the new UnFallen Soul capacities reveal or indicate where we willingly want to go, because of the sphere of logic, of how we Test Steiner and how we begin to See with new Eyes and New ears. We see as educators that it is true. We see in our read of adults that three part divisions and intuition, is just like having your personal little Air Spirit-Ariel going out and collecting insights for you. You get it and the world begins to speak to you that it knows you get it. The rewards are rather humble, and humble pie is the best restaurant in the world.

Anyways, you're never out of it, but you can understand when reality presses on you and when you press on reality.. delicate balance, Libra like lesson, of Michael in the Libra of the Scales, kind of Soul balance required... nothing complicated.

Bradford

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From: danifyou
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:20 am
Subject: Rép. : Last Supper/ Jupiter and Venus Streams; Solidity vs. Fluidity

Dear Dottie, (and all interested)

You have touched to a point "betrayal"
How it plays in particular with the stream Jupiter;
Quite simple as this stream belongs to Thinking within Senses;
While Venus is rather like Harvey shows
With his quote that goes: "Music is the incorporeal entrance...".

Jupiter goes "to sit" well make home within Matter;
While Venus has the tendency to hold back within the Paradisal;
Buddha's teachings as an example,
While the Baptist kept his feet in the Water...)

So, there is a question of suitability
For our epoch as much as Rosenkreutz
Did not do what Steiner did: New Mysteries'
Foundation STONE...; Matter of TALENTS -
Hear dear friends: Abraham-Aristotle;
Astra-Categorical Elective Affinity -
Realising Brain-Level the Synthesis
- Of all Streams --> The "MalkutHer"!

Jehovah the slower proper; case for teaching;
The Phlegmatic Solid that can develop in details
Rather than burn up everything on it's passage...

While you Dottie point to the "betrayal" of (Moses)-Peter;
I do talk again of the Spiritual-Psycho-Biological
Aspect of having a Brain-("Rock") descending
Down here to enable Intellectual Thinking...
Would you have had such Brain you may have
Got into a Survival utterance to Christ as Peter
Did:" I will not let them take You, Master"...
But Christ to reply: "you think like men does"
(That is: being human; Brained; unlike Gods,
Who, composed-made of pure spirit Brainless thus/does).
Why do we get Satan(Ahriman) in the picture
Is not very hard to fathom -
Doesn't it speak of the MINERAL
And the compounds Biological
Thriving ON Maintained here ON Earth
Through the Rocks Grave, Yard of FORM;
SILICA, CARBON and the REFLECTION;
MAYA, the Realm of ILLUSIONS
To which we are all subjected part of!?

The (Abraham)-Judas question then
Is "*Natural*" SILVER KING Condition
Head bound outcome of the descending stream
'Tree of Knowledge' which also means Death...

Thus why did Rudolf say that Buddhism
Is something of the Future?
Precisely because we are to reach
A condition loosened from the Shell
Schi Skelethal - yet do not forsake
Get a Pearl 'I'-Work ON it Formative Forces
Taken from the Sun Kingdom-Unifier.
...Therefore once did Christ to answer-rectify
A by-stander: "Who made me a Divider?"
Which is like saying: Why do you assimilate
Me to a Divider while I am not?".
...The Steiner's Statue indeed testifying
To this Center Equipoise/Equilibrium -
Which is Representative of Man's Position
Maatic Self-Determination Karma Harvested
Say, out of our own Wisdom to be Love in Action, or not!

...The True, the Good and the Beautiful...
This sums a Planetary Condition to take part -
Be Messiahs to the Earth - make the Egg Hatch;
Build-Up of the New Jerusalem Qualitative Home our Path
Christ Impulse's the Words His; IDEAL
Have the Power to make a Planet in the Cosmos!
(Do we Speak of a Spirit of Form or not!? ;)

This Sequence Clear as the Mansion!
Moral Individuals go on to another
Ongoing Position Ethereal - Radiant
By the Whiteness of the Deeds-Qualification
(To wear a Mother Lodge's T-Shirt or not ;)
Microcosmic status after all shouldn't
We be called those ones of the Tent/10th
Hierarchy very Christ and Sophia;
As once was told of Isis and Osiris -
"A Fore-Cast" pointing towards Beingness
To come in Shape-Rung - Rang God in Man -
Redefining Dust to reach for the: we are
Now Re-Linked-Seeded Archetypal-Pregnant
'Christ and Sophia' to Live in on the Cosmos
Rather than being Incarcerated in Rocks -
As these very ones to be Transfigurated
By the Fire of Resurrection
Thawing away Mountains
To be cast off by Infusion
Starry Advanced - Beam -
We - The Link -
I AM-Doers
Of that Mission -
Hello: 'Body of Christ'!

A Transparent World to occur
And Flowers Higher Senses -
Metaphor - Real - Consciousness
And Very Essence of the Mind's Births -
We do beget from Heart-Deeds and Words?...

'Pancake'-Bread soaked in Honey-Bees'
Wine this morning my composition?...

Have a Nice Day Guys!

Dan

P.S.-Extra-Delivery the Comment...:
If 'Noone' can be transformed into an Evil one
Such as was showed in Eastwood's 'Bloodwork';
Methinks that 'Hannibal' is such as well a distortion
Of Achilles - Astral a conversion 'Red Dragon'
Relational to the Green Snake Golden -
The Templars how they've been tortured and what came off!...

Lo! Friedrich Hölderlin has driven many Demons
Out from where they were hiding - as he Sacrifice-acted
Grail Knight Receiver beyond the nervous system capability -
The Influx coming from the Conference-turn of the 18th Century!

ATLAS CEDAR
Amidst a Rottening world!
Great Wings Deployed
Against all odds A Mighty Work!!!

----Message original -----
De : dottie zold

Here is a site that shows the last supper as I have seen it best so far.

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/L/leonardo/lastsupp.jpg.html

if you hit on the picture it will enlarge and then you can even enlarge it to 150% to see even a closer picture if you would like.

Rembrands is there as well but I did not find what I was looking for in regards to a knife.

If the site above does not work please go to biblia.com and you can chose Da Vinci's page.

d

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rép. : Last Supper/ Jupiter and Venus Streams; Solidity vs. Fluidity

Dali's depiction of this scene is a stunner:

http://www.uncletaz.com/classgallery/Dali/lastsupper.html

Tarjei

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From: danifyou
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:13 am
Subject: Rép. : Last Supper/ Dali;
the Triangle, the 5 and 2 times 6

Sends us back to an Etheric-Implicit
Pointing - Symbol found at this link!
http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/teachers/JacobBoehme.htm

Uncle Taz... by this deed marvelous
Ye generous - this share=20
May have won for yourself
A New Name which is also ticket=20
'Moment-sent' - lo! appeared=20
Suddenly before us=20
The very Taz Ma-Hall! ;)

----Message original -----
De : Tarjei Straume

Dali's depiction of this scene is a stunner:

http://www.uncletaz.com/classgallery/Dali/lastsupper.html

Tarjei

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Rép. : Last Supper/ Dali;

Sorry, I can't make any sense out of this post. Maybe it's the format, I dunno.

Tarjei

At 18:13 14.03.2004, you wrote:

the Triangle, the 5 and 2 times 6
To: "AT"<anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com>
Cc:
Content-Type: Text/Plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sends us back to an Etheric-Implicit
Pointing - Symbol found at this link!
http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/teachers/JacobBoehme.htm

Uncle Taz... by this deed marvelous
Ye generous - this share=20
May have won for yourself
A New Name which is also ticket=20
'Moment-sent' - lo! appeared=20
Suddenly before us=20
The very Taz Ma-Hall! ;)

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From: danifyou
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:03 am
Subject: Rép. : Re: Last Supper/ Dali;

----Message original -----
De : Tarjei Straume

Sorry, I can't make any sense out of this post. Maybe it's the format, I dunno.

Tarjei

Hi Tarjei,

Dali - seems to me - applied an Etheric '5'-Form
Pentagram with Christ "Triangulating Top"
With two Apostles Below at the Table.
This points Above to a Man we can identify
To the Universal One, Adam Kadmon -
The Nathan Soul's Dawn down here
Has been made Imperish-Available...
Our Revival to the Living Cosmos.

The two times 6 Apostles on each sides
Do make for a good entwined "Jupiter-Venus"...

I thought you'd like the idea of "Taz Ma-Hall"...
Can work as an alternative to Uncle Taz... ;)

+

Sometimes I do have problems
When I send messages - which make
The subject line to break up
(Other part found beginning of the post)
And "=20" appear at the end of phrases...
Situation of which I am the first
To be upset of course...

Dan

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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 12:13 pm
Subject: Last Supper/Taj

danifyou wrote:

Uncle Taz... by this deed marvelous
Ye generous - this share=20
May have won for yourself
A New Name which is also ticket=20
'Moment-sent' - lo! appeared=20
Suddenly before us=20
The very Taz Ma-Hall! ;)

Bradford comments;

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030713/spectrum/heritage.htm

"According to legend, Shah Jahan planned to erect a black version as tomb for himself on the other side of the river. A bridge should connect the two monuments."

Please be attentive to the mirrored image of a black and white duplicated structure, based on the 4 directions, almost a Domed creation model of how the universe was made. Indeed a sort of integrated chessboard of interwoven, black and white forces were to be exactly built. Indeed, the completed building was inspired by Initation based on the core of FOUR. I stumbled upon this while teaching a class and watching the educational video of the mysteries behind the Taj Mahal.

It suddenly was there, a mirror, a reverse image, A black model and a White model of the dual structures, of not only the four seasons, four ventricles of the heart, the great model of the constellations overhead as well as NSEW, but that there was a Mirrored image to be built that never was completed. A marble bridge in black and white checkerboard was planned for connecting these two buildings. This amazing incomplete mirrored design, based on Initiation and Taj gave me pause to consider.

This struck me as rather fascinating. The visible and the invisible, the shadow and the form. It is something to say, as well, Male and Female and how the two lovers, the woman having givin birth to 13 children. THIRTEEN and then she died. We look here upon Physical and the mirrored Etheric form. The Male outer physical form and the Female Etheric form all in one, as one, as a sort of soul mirrors to each other. Again, the other way round, Female outward form and inner male etheric mirror. Minus of course the DISTORTION.

In understanding the difference between the Phantom model and the Physical model, that is the Spiritual pre-form and the Physical resulting form, we see, as a result of heredity and gene, but also the play of how the Spirit sought itself, pre-figured in star script, and connects itself to the model. But what makes the model, the Mimick, the mimic, enters into how we understand Ahriman fills out, fleshes out and establishes the bone and flesh model against the higher incaranational codes. But that was to change after Germany collapsed and the rhythm patterns of the freight train of 666-1332-1998 were running in gallop on a hidden historical agenda that is far too deep for petrified brains to understand.

So, here we are at the I AM again. You see, no matter how you run from it the rebellion of Ahriman to take over the model and mimic of the flesh, into cloning, into infecting the bones with failed Light and the revelation of the 1998 Map of the Human Genome.. We come right back to real historical patterns, not mind games. We have discussed the arrival of this train of 1998 and the mapping of the mimic, so that mankind could get involved with Ahriman's copycat technique and use all the race cards to scare humanity into ever thinking, that Ahriman is behind this. Scare them with Jew and Hebrew and antisemitic and make their flesh crawl when they think that something has changed in the capacity of the I AM, that looks forward in the I AM and is no longer bound by Old Adamic memory and heredity.

Here again we have Adam and the Unfallen Adam model. Only this time it is not a mimic and a mirror but part of the Sophic, giving birth to the Daughter, AnthroSophic and the new soul garment of the I AM, which, like Penelope of old, we have to make for ourselves.

Again, Maya and Matrix or the films regarding the Matrix, all have to do with the dark mimic of an apparent life that fools Mother Nature. As Danny has said, this is the Brain mirror built from the old Moon of nerve and silica.

This Brain mirror is different than the Sun Intelligence of the Heart. When we understand the circulation of the heart we understand that, "Blood carries oxygen and nutrients to all parts of the body through a circulatory system that, if formed into one continuous tube, would stretch for 60,000 miles - about a quarter of the distance from the earth to the moon! "

Certainly we can safely say that our Hearts can span the Earth, and we are a hyper-physics reduction, a micro reduced Sun and carry in us, each of us carries, the capacity to understand consciousness extended as wisdom over the whole Earth. This Ecological vision of the I AM, was what Steiner was attempting to bring to Munich. Those who fail to understand the I AM, and that is impossible when you see what Steiner was really doing, fail to see the gigantic load bearing forces of weight out of Cosmic Intelligence that were sitting on Steiner's shoulders.

Ever Imagine the Christophorus, to carry the Christ Logos or Cosmic Intelligence across the Threshold. Well the "Green Snake and beautiful Lily" give us the impression we are looking for. The rising of a Domed building to be the new university of the AnthroSophic Unfallen Soul condition and rooted in Cosmic Wisdom or Love of Sophia, as AnthrSophic is a travail birth out of Sophia. This means that the birth is not easy, but the Dragon was waiting, with Ahrimanic Racism to devour what might be the daughters of the Unfallen wisdom in the hearts of men.

Mirror, mirror on the Wall...

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