understanding antisemitism

understanding Iskariot

 

From: holderlin66
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 9:23 am
Subject: understanding Iskariot

Frank translated:

"Another was completely sure that the rabbi, if not exactly the promised Messiah, was certainly Yisrael's savior. That was Yehuda, who came to us one day. The only one from the south, from the city of Karioth in Judea. Clever, but dark. He spoke little, but saw and heard everything. He never laughed and slept little. He was always alongside the rabbi, like a watchdog ready to spring. He only left in order to get news. He became a courier: every day he brought news of arrests, tortures, crucifixions; he noted the rising prices and the taxes, the triple taxes: to the priests, the Romans, the royal court, he described the misery of the poor and the luxurious life of the powerful, and while doing so stared at Yeshua with glowing eyes.

He was a rebel. Yeshua never put him off, he listened silently and calmly. Jochanan didn't like him, Shimon feared him. For the others he was the bringer of news and the money manager. He took over that office on his own. You should know how much you have in the purse; it won't do to go along blindly."

[From "understanding antisemitism"]

http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/19090704p01.html

Under the influence of this wisdom coming to her through her dream, the mother brought the child, to which she had given birth, to the island of Kariot and deserted it there. It was found, however, by the queen of that country who adopted it and brought it up herself, she and her husband being childless. After a time a child was born to this couple. The foundling son felt himself displaced and, being of passionate temperament, slew the son of the royal couple. Thereupon, being unable to remain, he fled and reached the court of the Governor Pilate in whose household he soon rose to the rank of overseer. Here he became involved in dispute with his neighbour and, not knowing that his neighbour was his own father, slew him. Thereupon he wedded his neighbour's wife — his mother. This foundling was Judas of Kariot.

Bradford comments;

Dear friends, far from letting this issue of Iskariot wander in the toilet bowel of stray anthro leads, for those who are Anthro impaired, Tarjei established that Bob Dylan had a reincarnation dream where he dreamed he was somewhat a part of the death of St. Augustine. Anthro homework tells us to go to the Steiner thread indicated above to find our the dirt on Kariot, its most famous citizen. Bradford did locate the town of Kariot via some modern terrorist research data. 1 in ten million maybe have ever really connected Kariot the place and Iskariot the person together with some detail.

Now the Anthro impaired would not have had the pleasure to read in Marie Corelli's great work on "Barrabas" how Judas is found hung. Bradford has mentioned that this book is the greatest novel of Christ ever written. The drama, after the death on Golgotha spins around Magdalene, Peter and one of the actual Three Kings, an Initiate who is recording this story. It is indicated in sub circles of Anthro research that Pythagoras was one of the Three Kings coming out of the Star wisdom of Persia. Again nothing that Anthros dwell on, with all the other intersting gossip to yak about. But that is a whole other little avenue of research for Anthro's who finally take deeper interest in world events.

Bradford brought in the trail of the after death experience of Judas in the "Ballad of Judas Iskariot". The Ballad and the Corelli piece tie together because Judas hanged himself in the Garden. A very dramatic piece of literature unfolds in Corelli around the rope and knot around the throat and the finding of the body of Judas. In the books plot we meet the sensual Luciferic corrupting and merging with the Ahrimanic in Caiaphas the evil Ahrimanic priest. Literature becomes more interesting when we can see the shapes of how these dynamic forces collide.

So the pieces that we managed to roughly tape together that would be an excellent screenplay, I don't think Dottie has the financial influence to make yet, but it would be a good Wim Wenders film and I certainly have the entire plot structure running in my head at the moment, includes the following.

Kariot born, put on island kills father marries mother, works in Pilates house.
Dramatic scenes of ointment and last supper and Thursday eve.
Hangs himself;
Crosses the threshold and we follow him after death.
Meets Christ after death
Incarnates as St. Augustine.
We watch little masterbating Augustine wrestle with his demons
He becomes St. Augustine.

Now we might ask as to the nature of dreams. Did Bob Dylan associate his spirit with St.Augustine as an outside participant in the killing of Augustine or was, or was... and this really is an interesting and vital question, Dylan took over the Social Spiritual mantel of poetry from Woody Guthrie. Who was Woody Guthrie? Woody Guthrie is someone to consider, but let us consider the idea that Dylan, in the dream, saw an indication that he indeed was associated with St. Augustine and his time in a reincarnation vision. Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford and Thoreau have had such reincarnation visions, just ask Shirley Maclaine. Naturally, error is error, however the film doesn't have to insist on the point that Dylan is Augustine, but in theory, I have little problem seeing the potential that Bob Dylan might even have been St. Augustine.

Then we come, for the Anthro impaired, to how Christ gave the gift of the Etheric model of Jesus to St. Augustine. This gifting factor was sailed or floated onto this list, regarding Dr. Steiner and the Astral Body of Christ and for all we know of the study of the I AM, the I AM of Jesus was part of the study Steiner could attain after having the St. Thomas Aquinas experience of the Astral body, Steiner could have gone on to get the I AM model to study. This profound and shattering insight shows how the Goetheanum was made and what I AM and the body of Spiritual Science are about. But these insights as well, mostly, dried up in the feeble brains of impaired Anthros. They lead to stunning and rich observations, future books, movies, lectures, but are usually wasted.

What social, etheric forces from Augustine's amazing confessionals, his psychotherapy and penetrating his disfunctions and etheric shadows and his double with such intensity might equate the work of Dylan with in the social body and the etheric patterns of Dylans fine poetry, with a metamorphosis out of Augustine's spiritual development? Or had the pattern Christ indicated that the disciples who were given the Etheric or Astral body, could bestow fragments of this bread to others, would link Dylan to a profound betrayal and meeting of the actual Augustine. Questions like these are Goethean Esoteric Science questions that only a handful on planet Earth, and many of them on this list, are capable of understanding the refined details to. These few are very precious, precious. Because not only have they alerted and taken an interest in hundreds of details out of Anthro insights, but are able to look right into current events and see them. These are prize writers and researchers, who, like the Inklings, are a new wave of the Michael School.

One of Tarjei's most interesting and wonderful insights recently was using the spring board of how High Summer sends us out into spiritual space, that indeed the vast Saturn, Sun, Moon, Earth, Jupiter, Venus, and Vulcan expanded inner vision of the High Expansion of summer could mean. Imagine, we look into the wide spiritual spaces using the springboard of High expanded, dream lit summer. Shakespeare has one of the most accurate pictures of nature and man ever written over the St. John Beheading and Midsummer mysteries. "A Mid-Summer Night's Dream is factual, and blends into the Green Man and the mighty Soul Calendar verses of Steiner. The New Pan of the elemental worlds arises and the Phantom, take us into the future Life Ethers we should be attentive to and how to harvest and work with the Living Christ in the Life Ethers. Where does the trail lead? It expands out into the future, higher branches of human evolution. Tarjei dropped a beautiful picture in our laps and I for one livingly felt his intuition.

So, Dylan's title was "I dreamed I saw St. Augustine". What strange dreams we have and what strange dreams when you examine the tumble of Karma in "Midsummer Night's Dream" and the tumble of Karma in "The Tempest" and the tumble of Karma when Jung dreamt or when some fellow like pascal or a mathematician dreamed and solved some problem, while outside of the logic of his brain. Themes like these are entirely new books and tandem explorations that should feed into Spiritual Science and education. They certainly do when I teach.

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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Jun 2, 2004 12:37 pm
Subject: understanding Iskariot

Bradford comments;

So Tarjei, the quality of how Dylan sings this song brings the intensity of betryal with an in intellecutal relentlessness like 13 arrows to the heart of General Custer.

We find that Dylan has interfaced with Judas in a peculiar way. It has been put forward here, as you recall, that Dylan had a vision that he was incarnated at the time of Augustine. Augustine and Judas are tied together and the moral tale of betrayal of the high ideals presented by the mission of Sixties as they and Dylan pushed back against the Ahrimanic forces are powerful in the listening of this song and the style.

Bradford has felt that there is a strong connection between Dylan and the destiny of both Augustine and Judas. I felt so strongly that I have had this screenplay and lecture running back and forth in my mind's eye for sometime now. Here again Judas is brought dead center into the core of this intellectual soul direct hit, out of the Mars activity of Poetry and the Poets weapons against failed and retarded human thinking.

THE MASTERS OF WAR

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

Kariot born, put on island kills father marries mother, works in Pilates house.
Dramatic scenes of ointment and last supper and Thursday eve.
Hangs himself;
Crosses the threshold and we follow him after death.
Meets Christ after death
Incarnates as St. Augustine.
We watch little masterbating Augustine wrestle with his demons
He becomes St. Augustine.

Now we might ask as to the nature of dreams. Did Bob Dylan associate his spirit with St.Augustine as an outside participant in the killing of Augustine or was, or was... and this really is an interesting and vital question, Dylan took over the Social Spiritual mantel of poetry from Woody Guthrie. Who was Woody Guthrie? Woody Guthrie is someone to consider, but let us consider the idea that Dylan, in the dream, saw an indication that he indeed was associated with St. Augustine and his time in a reincarnation vision. Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford and Thoreau have had such reincarnation visions, just ask Shirley Maclaine. Naturally, error is error, however the film doesn't have to insist on the point that Dylan is Augustine, but in theory, I have little problem seeing the potential that Bob Dylan might even have been St. Augustine.

Dylan, Goethe, the Ascension, and more..

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