Waldorf 


From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:06 am
Subject: Waldorf

Hi Everyone,

The mention of Peter Staudenmaier led me back to check out the WC list and see what was going on. Dan Dugan posted a nice article on Waldorf and I thought to share it here.

He also posted a few things regarding the Anthroposophia Society and I was wondering if anyone has any new information about what is happening with the confrontation between the two sides of one coin aspects of Dr. Steiners work? I am not a member but I care to see where the impulse of this work is headed.

Article on Waldorf can be found at:

http://starbulletin.com/2003/11/13/features/story2.html

Good Saturday,

Dottie

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Waldorf

At 20:06 22.11.2003, Dottie wrote:

Article on Waldorf can be found at:

http://starbulletin.com/2003/11/13/features/story2.html

The Honolulu Star Bulletin runs a positive article about Waldorf with a link to Honolulu Waldorf School. When the hardcore critics from PLANS post something like this, it's because they've been more obsessed with everything anthroposophical over the years than the most cultish Steiner-followers I have ever encountered. Their take on the matter is that this is not for them; on the contrary, it's wacky and immoral and reprehensible and unhealthy and dangerous. But instead of keeping it at arm's length and deciding to have nothing to do with it, they dedicate their very lives to the mission of bringing it down with any conceivable means.

But talking about Hawaii, I wonder if there are some AS members among the natives there with some interesting stories to tell? Something similar to the story about the first Aboriginal member of the Anthroposophical Society, actor and author Burnam Burnam:

http://www.uncletaz.com/burnam.html

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: Waldorf

Tarjei

When the hardcore critics from PLANS post something like this, it's because they've been more obsessed with everything anthroposophical over the years than the most cultish Steiner-followers I have ever encountered.

Hi Tarjei,

I agree. Mr.Dugan actually posted it as a farce so show the willy nilly style of Waldorf and Anthroposophists.

Tarjei
But instead of keeping it at arm's length and deciding to have nothing to do with it, they dedicate their very lives to the mission of bringing it down with any conceivable means.

Dottie

Have you ever thought of the possibility that this is all a part of helping Anthroposophy to step away from the dead letter word of Dr. Steiner and into the creative life giving force stream? Outragious you may think, however I have to say there may have been some good that has come out of their aethistic/freedom/humanistic understandings that actually have put dogmatic teachers on notice. As long as great Anthroposophists like Sune can show where they diverge from the truth regarding race and so forth, we can learn from what they have experienced. They go to an extreme with Mr. Staudenmaier their saving grace, regarding race and so forth. But I have never in my life experienced a man who can twist any word/phrase in the way this man can. He would serve the current administration well.

Even looking to how Dr. Steiner is described, on the website I offered up for something postive, he is mentioned as a philosopher/scientist/something else. In that there is no mention to how we experience him and his spiritual work. Aethist/Freedomthinkers/Humanists need to know this before they sign their children to school. I wonder how you would have felt being the warrior you are today, yet atheist, and having your child go to a school that had a spiritual background pointing to Christianity and other world religions. And not as a concept rather as a reality.

Thoughtfully,
Dottie

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:21 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Waldorf

At 06:42 23.11.2003, Dottie wrote:

Tarjei

When the hardcore critics from PLANS post something like this, it's because they've been more obsessed with everything anthroposophical over the years than the most cultish Steiner-followers I have ever encountered.

Hi Tarjei,

I agree. Mr.Dugan actually posted it as a farce so show the willy nilly style of Waldorf and Anthroposophists.

Tarjei

But instead of keeping it at arm's length and deciding to have nothing to do with it, they dedicate their very lives to the mission of bringing it down with any conceivable means.

Dottie

Have you ever thought of the possibility that this is all a part of helping Anthroposophy to step away from the dead letter word of Dr. Steiner and into the creative life giving force stream?

Only to a limited extent. There is a vital difference between criticism, which is absolutely necessary, and smear campaigns based upon deliberate lies and distortions. I've written a juicy piece of criticism myself, entitled "Anthroposophy in the Courtroom".

Outragious you may think, however I have to say there may have been some good that has come out of their aethistic/freedom/humanistic understandings that actually have put dogmatic teachers on notice. As long as great Anthroposophists like Sune can show where they diverge from the truth regarding race and so forth, we can learn from what they have experienced. They go to an extreme with Mr. Staudenmaier their saving grace, regarding race and so forth. But I have never in my life experienced a man who can twist any word/phrase in the way this man can. He would serve the current administration well.

I can't help it, Dottie: I just love your political argument there. I bet Peter S. loves it too, especially when he is priding himself of representing the diametrically opposite ideological platform of the Bush'es, calling himself an anarchist and everything, although I suspect he's a Marxist commie de luxe.

Even looking to how Dr. Steiner is described, on the website I offered up for something postive, he is mentioned as a philosopher/scientist/something else. In that there is no mention to how we experience him and his spiritual work. Aethist/Freedomthinkers/Humanists need to know this before they sign their children to school. I wonder how you would have felt being the warrior you are today, yet atheist, and having your child go to a school that had a spiritual background pointing to Christianity and other world religions. And not as a concept rather as a reality.

I have always supported the critics' demands concerning open disclosures to parents. Here is a discussion with critics about the topic at hand that I participated in back in 1999:

http://www.uncletaz.com/wc/wcthreads/disclosure.html

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

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