The Spiritual Hierarchies

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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 1

I'm sorry about all the dashes disappearing from the text; it won't happen with the next lectures nor in the web version. This stuff is so dynamite it's worth a little commenting:

Rudolf Steiner:

This course of lectures will take us into the high spiritual regions we shall be led from the earth, where we live, not only into the wide physical spaces of our universe, but also be uplifted to those spiritual worlds, from which this whole physical universe has derived its origin.

Wow. That's my Steiner, and this is precisely what we need.

Bob Dylan:

Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship,
My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip,
My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels
To be wanderin'.
I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way,
I promise to go under it.

Rudolf Steiner:

Above man begins a world of invisible beings, through the knowledge of the supersensible world, and man is able (as far as it is possible for him) to rise a certain distance towards those beings and powers, which are the continuation in the invisible world of the four grades found within the realm of the earth.

Let there be no doubt about it: Anthroposophically oriented spiritual science is NOT some kind of preferable symbolic Jungian philosophy in a world that popped into existence at random from some chemical soup, and it is NOT a question of believing or not believing in "God", some kind of all-knowing, almighty metaphysical dictator who pops condoms like a circus magician from a comic book. We're talking about species older and more highly developed than man who are active among us; higher intelligences that NASA will never ever succeed in tracking down.

For certain reasons which will be made clear in this course of lectures, our time has been chosen for extending to larger masses of people that which has been kept alive by those little groups.

This is why Old Age religions lead to decadence, sending hordes of fundies into the arms of Ahriman - especially monotheistic religions phantasizing about "God," that nasty, almighty, supersmart metaphysical dictator. These Old Age religions are drying up, and their followers are running out of spiritual nourishment, becoming increasingly desperate and dangerous So-called Biblical Christianity, orthodox Judaism, medieval Islam, all once great religions, are becoming dangerous cults. They're becoming so dangerous and cause so many wars that when Ahriman incarnates, he'll probably outlaw religion and spirituality altogether, and this will be enforced. Steiner actually predicted that the day will come when health authorities will vaccinate children against spiritual experiences.

There is no wisdom of the East which has not streamed into Western occultism and into the teaching and investigations of the Rosy Cross; in them is to be found absolutely all that the great teachers of the East ever had in their keeping. Nothing, nothing whatever of that which is to be found in the Eastern wisdom is lacking in the wisdom of the West. The only difference ­ if it can be called a difference ­ is that Western occultism has to include the whole of the Eastern wisdom and teaching and, without losing anything, to blend it with the light which has been kindled in humanity through the Christ Impulse. When one speaks of Western occultism, of that which has its derivation from the hidden Western Rishis (whom certainly no eye hath seen) it is impossible to say that in it is wanting one single iota, one single shred of the Eastern wisdom. Only it had all to be brought forth again fresh and new from the fountain-head of the Christ Impulse.

So much for those who bemoan that we're doing things the Western way and that some kind of exotic, non-Christian path from the Far East is so much better.

A fanatic can never understand with precision, but a man who is objective can.

Nice one. This is why certain topics can be difficult or even impossible to discuss objectively when passions run high and opinions are stubborn.

Looking into the spaces of the universe man saw spiritual beings ­ the spiritual hierarchies. He actually saw beings.

Does anyone here believe that the man of Atlantis was delusional and deranged, or that Atlantis never existed?

The outer world always understood it materially up to the time of modern Mythology ­ I use the word purposely ­ which is called Astronomy. And as Anthroposophy has recognised the full worth of all the other Mythologies, it has also, as you will understand, given full value to that Mythology which is called modern Astronomy, which sees only space and in it, the physical world-spheres as physical orbs. But to him who knows, modern Mythology is only a special phase of all Mythologies.

Here we have it: The modern scientific superstition. The world of NASA is a myth; they're chasing shadows and wasting an awful lot of taxpayer dough in the process.

Yes, that future age will come, although the man of the present who laughs at former Mythologies thinks it impossible that one could ever speak of Copernican Mythology.

Bob Dylan:

Though you might hear laughin', spinnin', swingin' madly across the sun,
It's not aimed at anyone, it's just escapin' on the run
And but for the sky there are no fences facin'.
And if you hear vague traces of skippin' reels of rhyme
To your tambourine in time, it's just a ragged clown behind,
I wouldn't pay it any mind, it's just a shadow you're
Seein' that he's chasing.

Rudolf Steiner about Dionysius the Areopagite:

he spoke of Angels, Archangels, Archai, Powers, Mights, Dominions, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim.

Well, that's something radically different from abstract babble about "God." That's what all those pastors and preachers and clergy members talk about: "God." They even call themselves "men of God." And this God is mean, brutal, cruel, and tyrannical, causing suicides and abortions and wars.

Anyway, this is just the first of ten lecture, folks; they belong to my favorites and are very powerful taking you all into the loftiest regions of the universe if you get on the train.

Bob Dylan:

Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind,
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/


From: Mike helsher
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 1

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Tarjei Straume wrote:

I'm sorry about all the dashes disappearing from the text; it won't happen with the next lectures nor in the web version. This stuff is so dynamite it's worth a little commenting:

Rudolf Steiner:

This course of lectures will take us into the high spiritual regions we shall be led from the earth, where we live, not only into the wide physical spaces of our universe, but also be uplifted to those spiritual worlds, from which this whole physical universe has derived its origin.

Wow. That's my Steiner, and this is precisely what we need.

<snip>

Yes, this is precisely what I need. Hey there Mr. Tazberine man, thanks for playing this song for me!

Mike


From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 10:15 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 2

Hey,

I know this is a lot of heavy text, but... huh..... you know, Rudy was a cool dude man. Yeah, if you light up a smoke, you know a little reefer or pipe or chyllum or joint with somethin' tasty in it, you know Rudy will take you places, man, and he's talkin' about smoke here, you know? Yeah, smoke, so smoke it man, because Rudy is cool.

Rudolf Steiner:

Those of you who remember elementary physics will know that modern science does not see in fire anything that could be compared with either earth, water or air: the physical science of to day sees in it only a certain condition of movement. Spiritual science sees in warmth or fire something which has in it a still finer substance than air. Just as earth or solidity changes into liquid, So does all air-substance change gradually into the condition of fire - according to spiritual science - and fire is so fine an element that it interpenetrates all other elements.

Yeah, that's what I've been tellin' ya man, there's no smoke without fire, know what I mean? So if you ain't got a light or a match or somethin', forget it man, because then we have nothin'. No smoke, no air, nothin' to drink, no liquid, and no earth man, no nothin'. Earth is just a temperature man; if it's hot enough it's all fire, like on the sun you know. So just make it gas and breathe it, man, smoke it. Smoke the earth man, it's cool you dig? It's a gas man!

We all came out of fire, the origin og it all man, goin' all the way back to the Saturn condition, you dig? Now check this out:

Rudy said:

The ancient teachers may have spoken thus: 'Look at that burning object. See how the fire destroys it. Thou seest two things in that burning object.' In those ancient times one was called smoke, and it may still be so called nowadays, and the other was called light, and the spiritual scientist saw the fire in the middle between light and smoke. The teacher said: 'Out of the flame are born simultaneously light on the one side, smoke on the other.'

See what I mean? Blows me away every time. You'd better light up that smoke man.

Here's Rudy:

When something burns, we see on one side light appear, which is outwardly imperceptible and which is operative in the spiritual world. Something that is not merely outer material gives forth the warmth and when it is strong enough to become a source of light it yields something invisible, something which cannot be recognised any more through the outer senses, but it must pay for this in smoke. From what was formerly translucent and transparent it has to bring forth something not transparent - something of the nature of smoke. Thus you see how warmth or fire becomes differentiated, how it divides. On one side it divides itself into light, with which it opens a way into the supersensible world, and in payment for that which it sends up as light into the supersensible world, it must send something down into the material world, into the world of non-transparent, visible things. Nothing one-sided comes forth in the world. Everything that exists has two sides to it. When light is produced through warmth, then turbid, dark matter appears on the other side. That is the teaching of primeval spiritual science.

Lewis Carroll:

Alice looked all round her at the flowers and the blades of grass, but she did not see anything that looked like the right thing to eat or drink under the circumstances. There was a large mushroom growing near her, about the same height as herself; and when she had looked under it, and on both sides of it, and behind it, it occurred to her that she might as well look and see what was on the top of it.

She stretched herself up on tiptoe, and peeped over the edge of the mushroom, and her eyes immediately met those of a large caterpillar, that was sitting on the top with its arms folded, quietly smoking a long hookah, and taking not the smallest notice of her or of anything else.

The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar took the hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice.

`Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar.

This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'

`What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. `Explain yourself!'

`I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, `because I'm not myself, you see.'

`I don't see,' said the Caterpillar.

`I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, `for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.'

`It isn't,' said the Caterpillar.

`Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; `but when you have to turn into a chrysalis--you will some day, you know--and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?'

`Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar.

`Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; `all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.'

`You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. `Who are YOU?'

Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation. Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, `I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.'

`Why?' said the Caterpillar.

Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away.

`Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. `I've something important to say!'

This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again.

`Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar.

`Is that all?' said Alice, swallowing down her anger as well as she could.

`No,' said the Caterpillar.

Alice thought she might as well wait, as she had nothing else to do, and perhaps after all it might tell her something worth hearing. For some minutes it puffed away without speaking, but at last it unfolded its arms, took the hookah out of its mouth again, and said, `So you think you're changed, do you?'

`I'm afraid I am, sir,' said Alice; `I can't remember things as I used--and I don't keep the same size for ten minutes together!'

`Can't remember WHAT things?' said the Caterpillar.

`Well, I've tried to say "HOW DOTH THE LITTLE BUSY BEE," but it all came different!' Alice replied in a very melancholy voice.

`Repeat, "YOU ARE OLD, FATHER WILLIAM,"' said the Caterpillar.

Alice folded her hands, and began:--

You are old, Father William,' the young man said,
`And your hair has become very white;
And yet you incessantly stand on your head--
Do you think, at your age, it is right?'

`In my youth,' Father William replied to his son,
`I feared it might injure the brain;
But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
Why, I do it again and again.'

`You are old,' said the youth, `as I mentioned before,
And have grown most uncommonly fat;
Yet you turned a back-somersault in at the door--
Pray, what is the reason of that?'

`In my youth,' said the sage, as he shook his grey locks,
`I kept all my limbs very supple
By the use of this ointment--one shilling the box--
Allow me to sell you a couple?'

`You are old,' said the youth, `and your jaws are too weak
For anything tougher than suet;
Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak--
Pray how did you manage to do it?'

`In my youth,' said his father, `I took to the law,
And argued each case with my wife;
And the muscular strength, which it gave to my jaw,
Has lasted the rest of my life.'

`You are old,' said the youth, `one would hardly suppose
That your eye was as steady as ever;
Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose--
What made you so awfully clever?'

`I have answered three questions, and that is enough,'
Said his father; `don't give yourself airs!
Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff?
Be off, or I'll kick you down stairs!'

`That is not said right,' said the Caterpillar.

`Not QUITE right, I'm afraid,' said Alice, timidly; `some of the words have got altered.'

`It is wrong from beginning to end,' said the Caterpillar decidedly, and there was silence for some minutes.

The Caterpillar was the first to speak.

`What size do you want to be?' it asked.

`Oh, I'm not particular as to size,' Alice hastily replied; `only one doesn't like changing so often, you know.'

`I DON'T know,' said the Caterpillar.

Alice said nothing: she had never been so much contradicted in her life before, and she felt that she was losing her temper.

`Are you content now?' said the Caterpillar.

`Well, I should like to be a LITTLE larger, sir, if you wouldn't mind,' said Alice: `three inches is such a wretched height to be.'

`It is a very good height indeed!' said the Caterpillar angrily, rearing itself upright as it spoke (it was exactly three inches high).

`But I'm not used to it!' pleaded poor Alice in a piteous tone. And she thought of herself, `I wish the creatures wouldn't be so easily offended!'

`You'll get used to it in time,' said the Caterpillar; and it put the hookah into its mouth and began smoking again.

This time Alice waited patiently until it chose to speak again. In a minute or two the Caterpillar took the hookah out of its mouth and yawned once or twice, and shook itself. Then it got down off the mushroom, and crawled away in the grass, merely remarking as it went, `One side will make you grow taller, and the other side will make you grow shorter.'

`One side of WHAT? The other side of WHAT?' thought Alice to herself.

`Of the mushroom,' said the Caterpillar, just as if she had asked it aloud; and in another moment it was out of sight.

 

Leonard Cohen:

Now the flames they followed joan of arc
As she came riding through the dark;
No moon to keep her armour bright,
No man to get her through this very smoky night.
She said, I'm tired of the war,
I want the kind of work I had before,
A wedding dress or something white
To wear upon my swollen appetite.

Well, I'm glad to hear you talk this way,
You know I've watched you riding every day
And something in me yearns to win
Such a cold and lonesome heroine.
And who are you? she sternly spoke
To the one beneath the smoke.
Why, I'm fire, he replied,
And I love your solitude, I love your pride.

Then fire, make your body cold,
I'm going to give you mine to hold,
Saying this she climbed inside
To be his one, to be his only bride.
And deep into his fiery heart
He took the dust of joan of arc,
And high above the wedding guests
He hung the ashes of her wedding dress.

It was deep into his fiery heart
He took the dust of joan of arc,
And then she clearly understood
If he was fire, oh then she must be wood.
I saw her wince, I saw her cry,
I saw the glory in her eye.
Myself I long for love and light,
But must it come so cruel, and oh so bright?

Rudolf Steiner:

That spiritual part which was in the warmth and has passed into the smoke, which being gaseous and belonging to air is a lower element than warmth, that spiritual part is transmuted, bewitched, as it were, into smoke.

That's it, man.

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From: holderlin66
Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 4

Steiner gave:

And last of all, when the `I' becomes ruler of the physical body, when it overcomes the strongest of the resisting forces, the forces of the physical body, then the man has in him the Spirit-man or Atma. So he should be a seven-membered man when he had transmuted his physical body to Atma or Spirit-man. Externally, the physical body is seen just as a physical body, but internally, it is completely dominated by the `I,' it glows with the `I;' such is the body which is physical body and Atma at the same time.

holderlin wrote;

The experience of the Detonation at Golgotha and the Resurrection in terms of how the event impacted the Spiritual World...is hidden from our sight, except for the Grunewald Painting of the Resurrection. Here an Initiate, Grunewald captures the silent detonation and the intimate change in the matter and atomic structure of the so called Earth that can be seen from the Spiritual World.

Rudolf Steiner:

The Spiritual Hierarchies
LECTURE 4
Düsseldorf, 1909

... consists in his human nature of four parts which are the key to all spiritual science - that the man consists of the physical, etheric and astral bodies, and of the `I.' We know how a man develops these further , that the `I' works from within outwards, that in the first place the astral body is changed in such a way as to bring it completely under the dominion of the `I.' Now when the astral body is so far transmuted that the `I' has complete power over it, we say: this astral body has become of such a nature that it can contain the Spirit-self or Manas. It is the same with the etheric body. When the work of the `I' becomes still more effective, it masters also the resisting forces of the etheric body, and the transmuted etheric body is the Life-spirit or Budhi. And last of all, when the `I' becomes ruler of the physical body, when it overcomes the strongest of the resisting forces, the forces of the physical body, then the man has in him the Spirit-man or Atma. So he should be a seven-membered man when he had transmuted his physical body to Atma or Spirit-man. Externally, the physical body is seen just as a physical body, but internally, it is completely dominated by the `I,' it glows with the `I;' such is the body which is physical body and Atma at the same time. The etheric body is at the same time etheric body and Life-Spirit or Budhi, the astral is astral body and Spirit-self or Manas; the `I' has now become the general Ruler. Thus man pushes onwards to higher stages of development, thus he transforms himself, and works at his own godliness, at his deification, as is said by Dionysius, the Areopagite, the friend and pupil of the Apostle Paul. But arriving at this point, development is not yet finished. When the man is so far advanced that he has completely conquered and absolutely dominated the physical body, he has still higher stages of development before him.

Bradford comments;

In this lecture, offered by Tarjei, Steiner emphasizes how the ancient substance that ancient Saturn used, from the beings that existed when we were formed, Firstly, was prior to the animals and prior to the ring of constellations, but if we narrow the initiation text of the Philosophy of Freedom and thought concentration forces, we find that Thought was the key to the riddle of the ancient Spirits of Personality and their Eggs....it also gives us an eerie Science Fiction tingle...because I have strong impressions of certain eggs on wild unruly planets...WRONG and I have impressions of Captain Kirk and episodes where the civilization were mere thought beings who created magical hallucinations, WRONG again.

What also can be noted, if one has the faintest desire to note such things, are what we have hailed here as the dawning of Pauline Christianity as moving away, and pressing aside the Peter based Christianity. One can only feel how stunning, warm and alone Steiner felt when he truly began lifting the new chapters, the new dawning of Pauline Christianity. For if the church, which has had a few years to develop itself, our maturity and the foundations of Spiritual Science are still in their beginnings.

Finally for those who are true students of Spiritual Science we come to the devastating, stunning reality of how the Christ Event on Earth brought about the full Atma or Spirit Man infusion of the highest and most ancient roots of the human origins we understand in Steiner's Pauline Christianity. This has every right to knock us on our butts. But Steiner knew all too well what little intellectual weasels we are. It is one thing to feel Steiner's immense inner, child like joy at giving humanity the first editions to a truly new Pauline Christianity, it is another thing altogether to have push aside the dogmas of 2000 years and look directly into that which we have been studying here, Zarathustra/Jesus. The incarnation of Jesus as the fact of both Zarathustra and Buddha, that there were two Jesus children. That Zarathustra was on the track to merge with the Sun Being...after having perfected Etheric/as Buddhi and Astral as Manas, he was now ready, and humanity was ready for truly Pauline insights into the Christ Event.

But by the nature of our piddling sips at the well...are we ready to take up the immense wonder of the dawning of Enriched Pauline Christianity?

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 4

At 02:24 05.02.2005, Bradford wrote:

In this lecture, offered by Tarjei, Steiner emphasizes how the ancient substance that ancient Saturn used, from the beings that existed when we were formed, Firstly, was prior to the animals and prior to the ring of constellations, but if we narrow the initiation text of the Philosophy of Freedom and thought concentration forces, we find that Thought was the key to the riddle of the ancient Spirits of Personality and their Eggs....it also gives us an eerie Science Fiction tingle...because I have strong impressions of certain eggs on wild unruly planets...WRONG and I have impressions of Captain Kirk and episodes where the civilization were mere thought beings who created magical hallucinations, WRONG again.

"Spiritual Hierarchies" is a remarkable lecture series. Steiner opens his first of these lectures (posted earlier) with the following introduction:

"This course of lectures will take us into the high spiritual regions we shall be led from the earth, where we live, not only into the wide physical spaces of our universe, but also be uplifted to those spiritual worlds, from which this whole physical universe has derived its origin."

And Steiner keeps his promise. Step by step, he takes his listeners and readers higher and higher, deeper and deeper, into the most far-reaching regions of our breathtaking and sublime universe where we come face to face with the gods and their magnificent deeds. The phenomenon of trekkies, Star Trek's fan club, indicates that many people have a longing for this sort of thing. A guy in his twenties who has been totally sold on Star Trek for many years, plus a little X-files and any science fiction that comes along, recently said to me that it's such a shame that the world of Star Trek is fictitious, that it's not real. People want something that's real.

What I find remarkable about Lecture 4, is that we learn the real origin of the Zodiac; how the Cherubim laid the foundation for the animal kingdom that came to expression through the Four Beasts of the Apocalypse and how these four became twelve because each of the four principal Cherubim had two companions, one on the left and one on the right; and this was how the twelve signs of the Zodiac originated on the ancient Sun when the Archangels, who were going through the human stage at that time, carried the Light into the Universe and were met by the sublime Cherubim who came to help them.

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 5

Tarjei Straume wrote:

Rudolf Steiner:

The Spiritual Hierarchies
LECTURE 5

Düsseldorf, 1909

Firstly thanks Frank for the Don Cruse, cool essay. Everything that I now offer is in homage to Barfield and Gnosis, which I call the stunning new reality of the dawning of the Pauline Sciences. Thanks for the preview and of course that is why I kinda a luv ya anyway you ole viagra nut job. I always suspect that Sir Frank is constantly evolving and stewing over lectures like this and that is what several planetary incarnations from several different lists, have condensed and gathered for us, this crude group together, with a fairly wonderfly creative edge.

Thanks to Jennifer and Michael for the Co-worker heading, much can be carried on the co-worker heading. I love it when we don't have such wusses, Tarjei sometimes just says what you will never hear in Anthro study groups, you hear an undercurrent variable intution about the sub text of instincts and events that usually floats over things. I like it that Tarjei is prepared, as a Co-worker to put little cowards and liars on edge with some potent humanistic intellect and directness that they haven't been used to because people tend to pamper and diddle with hallucination nut jobs.

Oh and by the way Dottie, in the Magdalene link you gave, there are some stunning Fire and Agni insights that tag directly into what this Fifth lecture and Fourth lecture Tarjei brought are about. Naturally I looked over it, but I don't expect you to see those parts where Agni does not merely flirt 24/7 with your pet Magdalene theory. The actual cosmos and fire had some very fine indications in the link...don't expect you to catch those though. I also particularly liked Phaedra and Ariadne and three Greek forces...This triad is everything to do with the foundational creational triads Steiner is describing.

The Fifth Lecture, when anyone attempts to put it into their own words, would be surprised what you discover. Motion, order, form, such as orbit distances from Earth, each planets ratio, of 24 hours in a day, less or more, its visibility from the Earth, or the various ratios and each planets position, how it tilts on its axis, the number of moons, the beings of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn Beings...their different relationships to the inner nature of Humans meant that;

Thrones - Spirits of Will
Dominions - Spirits of Wisdom, Kyriototes
Mights - Spirits of Motion Dynamis
Powers - Spirits of Form, Exusiai

The human form not only would wear the constellations from the head on Aries to the feet in Pisces, but internally the Jupiter liver, the mercury lungs, the Sun forces of the Heart, Saturn and spleen, Mars and gall and gall stones... the Kidneys and bladder, would be in timed frequency so that each human being would wear the planets. That which was set in motion would become the Microcosmic Image of Man. That which was set in motion would be the timing of Planets, rise and fall and the motion of Star Charts and the prediction of Zarathustra to the three kings. From the thirty/three notches of our spines, to the 12 rib cage, the marrow of our bones, the number of our teeth and the chromsome number of 23/46 at the cell split. Understanding the laws of the regulation, and what I have always noted as calibration, and how the Moon, our one moon regulates and has doorways and gateways to each constellation, but milk, and form and calibration are intimate clock settings, and to the Angels this is their brain and their music is the making of each single individual human being.

Never mind that you don't understand what I am babbling about, what matters is your own words, your own thoughts. Archai and Archangels were the Spirits of Personality and they are several phases above us. Language and the whole construct of various regions over the Earth, various Thought forces and Folk Beings, including the backward Folk of the Egypitan Folk Spirit that now hovers over Americanism. These mighty flora, fauna and language quality beings, the, Archai, Archangels are several phases above Man. We have encountered these beings in Michael, Raphael, Gabriel and Uriel, the four seasons and the Archangels, as if Dr. Steiner could form a working relationship with his elder brothers in the cosmos. We just don't want to believe this, yet, news flash!!!

And when Steiner gives a nod to Dionysius the Areopagite, with these lectures that Tarjei brought we are reading the regaining of Gnosis as Frank has indicated, but in more simple terms, we are seeing and gaining the relation that existed between St. Paul and Dionysius the Areopagite and all that has grown in the interim. We are clearly participating in the next phase, called the Pauline Phase of Christinaity. Now that should strike us and strike us with a stunning sense of the whole new chapter in history that Steiner opened. It rarely does. Intelligence is wasted on the Intelligent.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/rolt/dionysius.html

By 1924 and certainly by 1933 Ahriman put everything in the way of humanity grasping this new Pauline Christianity. Obliterating it, overwhelming it with science, science fiction, anything to keep the people from looking over where the gods landed as they never have landed before. Everything. Everything rose up and stood in the way, of Steiner, and Steiner not wanting to come out and say, 'hey, I'm arrogantly cracking open the Pauline Stream', he couldn't say that, even if he went so far as to produce a Fifth Gospel. The Church would have eaten him for lunch. He put Spiritual Science and Goetheanism on a universal ground so that we can even recognize Carl Jung or Ecology and not anything to do with Ecofascism, but rather in the stride of Pauline Christianity, EcoChristology. And we can dispise liars who twist Steiner like Peter S.

Ah, evil, a battle in the heavens... Beings above Man. Archai/Archangels...vast beings and when we speak of how the Angels live in the music, clothing and stellar planned parenthood of the stars and are star seers and their hearts are the very thinking of the heavenly beings and the order and balance of the world...we see another aspect what Zarathustra did. And all this is part of the working parts of the Consciousness Soul and we aren't even, even close. Details, Oh don't make me go into Wagner/Merlin and how the Magna Carta, Arthur and Freedom was offered to Germany so that the cognitive thinking of German thought could bring in the I AM cognition. Most of us are too dull to even approach reality, history and what was the mission of Steiner in the German language.

We understand, for those of us who have looked into the heart of Initiates, know that Steiner is a co-worker with Zarathustra and Buddha. And in this Fifth Lecture, we find him, Steiner, boyishly outlining the entire backdrop of what humanity and the Hubbel telescope, missions of Nasa, have failed to see and do. This is what Don Cruse and Barfield from Frank's link is telling us. There is a failure to link insight, seeing/thinking to the Earthly school of human development. The Christ Event becomes a reality of momentous human import because it starts the return journey of humanity and its rise upwards by conquering the ATMA issue in plain sight.

The Atma issue arises because we have studied the flavor of etheric life, we have studied adolescent astral scars and behavior, we continue to characterize difference in sentient/intellectual and Consciousness Soul insights, and we must pause where 99% of humanity refuses to go. To understand that the nature of the I AM is this and that each human breaks down into what has often been offered and lost in our list studies, Our rhythmic system, Our Nervous System and our metabolic limb system as the foundation for the human trinity that has made us in the Image of God.

But no, we hardly celebrate these things, put them into our own words and discover and meet some of the vast histories that have made us, in our calibrated Earth Orbit, with our Diana, with our Hermees and Mercury, with our Aphrodite and Venus, with our Ares and the God of War, our Zeus, son of Kronos, Saturn and time...we don't celbrate these things as OH MY GOD! Did Steiner really open a whole new chapter in human knowledge and can my little ego find a wonderful state of balance against all that we are not and all that we shall be?

The state of balance is humor, is self esteem, is joking, is mud slinging, but it should be honesty and sincerity. But everywhere from Politics to Personal relationships, from Waldorf School staff, to Anthro Society, we have also Ahriman and Lucifer, whipping our asses because we do not celebrate and do not constantly marvel, even if it is a marvel in terms of Hotel California and Michael and the Dragon, as to the vision we now have of human history and culture.

Is history in error in not considering the stunning ground breaking event that opposed fully the landing of the full Pauline Christology Science beginning of Steiner's Goetheanism? History will be right if Steiner's work is buried, but Tarjei, Andrea and I know history is an ahrmanic shitball fable that has just landed us again in Ahriman's Gitmo of GWB's sentient, Lodge, Think Tank and 21st century step backward, into Amerikan retardation.

And why does this continue to occur? It occurs because we refuse to step up to the plate and explain reality, keep up a dialogue and a correction of events so that people are not allowed to just let these failed universities destroy the impact that a whole new Pauline Christianity and the dropping of Cosmic Intelligence into the human heart caused in the world. Cause and effect.

Well I will wager Frank's soul that the impact that I can only stutter about is part of the source of the cause and effect dynamic that has placed nuclear threats, torture and fascism once again in the path of human intelligence. In other words we grossly underestimate the impact of Spiritual Science and that is exactly what Ahriman hopes humanity will do. Be preoccupied in such dithering silliness and lies that it won't notice the stunning thing that happend to humanity with the dawning of Spiritual Science.

Now in the reading of the Fifth lecture you hear that all evil will be redeemed in the Vulcan development...well that is fine and good, but what does it take to get the taste of evil clearly enough in the soul, as an active dynamic, that we do not vote idiots like GWB into office? Offensive relativity and the craving to satsify the fact that Ahriman is coming and he will offer a better deal than Steiner, free stunted clarivoyance and chemical nirvana. That while preparing for the sweet siren song of Ahriman's incarnation, we don't fall for it and fall into a Matrix like trap being set? It is a a long, long, long way to go to get sentient, intellectual and Consciousness Soul insights up to speed, and we ain't, we ain't and we certainly ain't there yet.

Gutless derranged cowards we may be, but such wonders are all around us and such wonderful human beings to share our journey and quest with, even if we never meet them on Earth, we have met together in the realm where Thought, and the Fire Spirits once made the little techno being, called Man....and the thing, the thing to underline out of this lecture, the thing to take with you above all else, is Warm blooded 98.6 marrow system structure as the warmth forces still circulating from ancient Saturn. Calibrated to the I AM.

 

From: holderlin66
Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 4:03 am
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 6

Tarjei Straume brought Steiner's Lecture 6

If one accepts the Kant-Laplace system, then, according to it, Uranus and Neptune should move with their moons as the other moons move around the other planets. But they do not; we even have among those outer planets, these two lately discovered planets, one which behaves in a very strange way. In reality, if the Kant-Laplace system is correct, somebody must, after having split off the rest of the planets, [have] turned the axis in such a way that it revolved at 90°, for its course is different from that of the other planets. These two differ greatly from the other planets of our solar systems. We shall see later how it is with them, but now we simply call attention to the fact that with the Copernican system we have only to do with a calculation, with something established as an hypothesis, as an assumption, at a time when man had gone completely adrift from the perception of spiritual co-relations and of what lies spiritually at the foundation of external happenings. But the old Ptolemaic system is not merely a physical system, it is one which was still derived from spiritual observation, when one knew that planets are boundary marks for certain realms where the higher Beings held sway. We must design our whole solar planetary system in a different way if we are to characterise these realms of control correctly. I shall draw this planetary system for you as it was expounded in the Mystery Schools of Zarathustra. We could just as well turn to other Mysteries for counsel, but we shall specially select this system for the explanation of our solar system with its planets, in respect of the spiritual Beings who are active within.

Bradford comments;

In terms of drawing our attention to stray details, as Students of Spiritual Science, there is much to learn from each other. That is why once the Michael School interest in humanity awakens, and it awakens rather slowly, to bit by bit touch upon obscure thoughts that Steiner brings up and integrates and we, in our turn pause to gaze, contemplate and warm up various points along the path, the Conciousness Soul, and the I AM, slowly begin to link the various points along the path, and a hazy wide inner circle of reference in our souls slowly begins to arise.

It is connected to the orbit orb, sphere, that rests on our shoulders, that is divided, like the earth into left brain and right brian with a magnetic field, down the center of the nose, and is our own little orbiting Consciousness Soul, building platform of Angels.

On this magnetic field of the Earth and the overlay of right side, left side, of ears, eyes, two halves of the brain, we merely take the Earth and its magnetic field and where the Earth shows a magnetic current running down the middle from pole to pole, we see an energy divider and in the human face and form we also mark this energy divider. We are hunters and gatherers of the Angelic cohesion of the Consciousness Soul in order to build a Halo. Now you better not let such ideas slide by your soul. I am speaking about a Halo and what we understand as seeing a Halo around the Head of Saints and the growing warm cohesion of the Consciousness Soul. Did Zarathustra already have a Halo...yes, and this does not have to do with members of the church or church saints, it has to do with any human anywhere, like Gandhi who might be working on this problem.

Think of the Halo around Saints, now the human form is a tiny circle of the zodiac, a curled embryo is a tiny constellation that will emerge and stand erect and point its spine away from the rounded sphere of the Earth, head to the heavens. The plant, has its roots, its head in the Earth. But the Angel Seers, who have helped build the star seer identity and form and face and feature and family and constellation of karmic friends we gather and meet from incarnation to incarnation, this Halo around human Saints is the beginning of higher point to point, Consciousness Soul illumination, thought and vision that arises. And like the body of Spiritual Science it arises slowly, we lift with interest, bit by bit various obscure points Steiner makes and we make the effort to penetrate them and make sense out of them for ourselves.

From this effort, a dim Consciousness Soul accuracy...Litmus test on Steiner's own Angelic Logos accuracy, as he is a direct representative of the Zarathustra stream and the Buddha stream, we dispel the darkness of our inaccuracy. We begin to see the differences in quality of insights and we even begin to see truth aspects where the insights of others are less coherent. But this Consciousness Soul is built slowly. Now, the above quote, that Steiner speaks of, Well go here, and as a student, understand just one tiny fragment of this Lecture six.

http://www.monju.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/UNP.htm

So if my attention is brought to how the three Kings were part of the Zarathustra star school, and we know we have to directly say, Zarathustra/Jesus...Angelic Star Seer, link to link incarnation connections and the vast mission of ATMA at Earth's center, a human initiation event that verifies Occult Science an Outline and locks it right down to the Christ Event as giving the entire meaning to Earth evolution... We have, with Steiner, changed the previous Peter dogmas into a glowing potent insight. We have altered our theories and silliness of big bang and blundering, but ever interesting Darwinian research and we now verify, and verify in every way, that there are Angels, one stage above human, we proceed to put this into our own words and we have dispelled some darkness.

You see right away the problem of saying, Zarathustra/Jesus, because I have tried it many times. And frankly, not even a flicker of insight, more like rejection, tells you that people with Peter's Fundamentalism locked in their thinking skulls, orbiting in their karma, have never been allowed, by Church or State to think this thought of the Three Kings to its logical conclusion. The logical conclusion is that Jesus is an incarnation of Zarathustra, not an abstract prediction of some obscure event. But THE EVENT. The event of Golgotha is exactly as Steiner and the new Pauline Sciences are describing and your stubborn and imprisoned thinking either supports Spiritual Science or you see how far people are from navigating toward their human goal. The goal Angels cannot set, but they regulate biography and karmic impact enough so that stubborn, ignorant thinking unlocks itself.

So frankly, there is very little excuse for people on this list to not struggle or embrace deeper issues. If they have an excuse and they wish to pursue inaccuracy, students of spiritual science understand how difficult it is to overcome our ingrained patterns of culturally imposed thought forms. The thought forms are in error and Steiner as well as Ahriman in us, knows that we are lame ducks ourselves. And that is why, it is accurate history to say to you that having a Zarathustra Initiate, of Steiner's caliber jolt the 20th century, means we only have to look at Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra" and we only have to see how Germany got rocked, that we are looking at a massive snow balling Initiate event. Look you how Jesus incarnation caused the slaughter of the innocents and rocked the obscure area in the middle east. Now the snow balling effect of another Zarathustra Initiate facing off with Science, accuracy and reality, jolted the entire 20th century. Now, am I, Andrea, Tarjei, Frank, Jo Ann, any of us lying?

(famous lying line, from "True Romance" between Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken, "now am I lying") and the fact that you haven't seen the sharp edged bitter aspect of True Romance, you missed an important piece of the puzzle of the Grail and Sicly. But that is because you only see what you want to see. The world and every detail is actually filled with wisdom and with Spiritual Science we become less afraid of ourselves looking at this horrific and beautific contrasting of vision and wisdom.

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 6

I am most appreciative that Bradford has taken his time to read through the lectures I've been posting and is offering his comments. When you get a post like this, it looks at first glance like a huge collection of words words words, and heavy metaphysics. But it's so much more. In this not-easily-available series, in a print from 1928, in a quaint English translation I have chosen to keep intact right down to clumsy expressions, odd spellings, and even the punctuations except when I've felt forced to insert a tiny preposition in [brackets] here and there, dr. Rudolf Steiner demonstrates that he is not just an initiate, but one of exceptional caliber, especially when he takes his audience into "the high spiritual regions (........) to those spiritual worlds, from which this whole physical universe has derived its origin."

Because Steiner has been the object of uncritical veneration in the sense that some students do not apply their critical faculties when approaching his work, there have been efforts made to pull the Doctor off his high horse and make him "human like the rest of us." And an alarm goes off with some people when others find it difficult to find examples where Steiner was simply wrong and where he displayed some obviousl flaw of character or judgement.

My reflection on this problem is that if we are to look for Steiner's errors, we must keep as close as possible to physical, earhtly phenomena. In this realm, Steiner's propensity to error is, as least theoretically, much more feasible than it is in the high spiritual regions, where he acts like a fish swimming in the ocean. Ordinary human beings need to incrarnate physically in order to develop 'I'-consciousness through the senses and through the physical brain; on the other side of the threshold, we are so blind that we must be led by the hand, so to speak, by spiritual beings through spirit-land back to our next incarnation.

Rudolf Steiner was not an ordinary human being. At about age 3, the physical senses awaken in ordinary children; impressions of sight shift from the spiritual world, whence we come, the door to which is gradually being closed behind us as we learn to think and talk and run during our early years, to what meets us through our eyes from the external world. This very transition did not take place in Rudolf Steiner until his 36th year! This is not only amazing; it is extraordinarily important if we are trying to understand Steiner and his work. It's right there in his autobiography:

Rudolf Steiner:

AT the end of the Weimar period of my life I had passed my thirty-sixth year. One year previously a profound revolution had already begun in my mind. With my departure from Weimar this became a decisive experience. It was quite independent of the change in the external relationships of my life, even though this also was very great. The realization of that which can be experienced in the spiritual world had always been to me something self-evident; to grasp the sense world in full awareness had always caused me the greatest difficulty. It was as if I had not been able to pour the soul's experience deeply enough into the sense-organs to bring the soul into union with the full content of what was experienced by the senses.

This changed entirely from the beginning of my thirty sixth year. My capacities for observing things and events in the physical world took form both in the direction of adequacy and of depth of penetration. This was true both in the matter of science and also of the external life. Whereas before this time the conditions had been such that large scientific combinations which must be grasped in a spiritual fashion were appropriated by me without mental effort, and that sense-perceptions, and especially the holding of such facts in memory, required the greatest effort on my part, everything now became quite different. An attentiveness not previously present to that which appeals to sense-perception now awakened in me. Details became important; I had the feeling that the sense-world had something to reveal which it alone could reveal. I came to think one's ideal should be to learn to know this world solely through that which it has to say, without man's interjecting himself into this by means of his thought, or by some other soul-content arising within him.

I became aware that I was experiencing a human revolution at a far later period of life than other persons. But I saw also that this fact carried very special consequences for the soul's life. I learned that, because men pass early out of the soul's weaving in the spiritual world to an experience of the physical, they attain to no pure conception of either the spiritual or the physical world. They mingle permanently in a wholly instinctive way that which things say to their senses with that which the mind experiences through the spirit and which it then uses in combination in order to "conceive" things. For me the enhancement and deepening of the powers of sense-observation meant that I was given an entirely new world. The placing of oneself objectively, quite free from everything subjective in the mind, over against the sense-world revealed something concerning which a spiritual perception had nothing to say.

- The Story of My Life, Chapter XXII (GA 28)
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA028/TSoML/GA028_c22.html

This means that the higher, deeper, and more sublime and exalted topics Steiner was talking about, the more he was at home with it. One can scrutinize it, analyze it and so on and say that Steiner was correct about this, wrong about that, and we disagree here and agree there and so forth. And that's very easy to say about earthly things, about geology, history or whatever. But you'll have to be a very opinionated doctrinaire theologian or a stubborn scholar to challenge Steiner about the Hierarchies, the successive incarnations of our planets, or about the Gospel events and the authorships involved. One trick, of course, is to pull the Doctor down from his high horse with some kind of idiotic dirty gossip and say that because he's as dirty as the rest of us, we can read the Akasha just as well as he could. Another approach is to write all this stuff off as "bad science fiction" because it cannot be verified as actual knowledge strictly epistemologically speaking, and therefore we know nothing about these things until we've investigated it with our own clairvoyance. (You know who I'm talking about.)

Another thing that should be pointed out is that this collection of typed words that we get thrown at ourselves from the printed page or from the monitor, can never measure up to what was actually heard by Steiner's audience.

F.W. Zeylmans van Emmichoven:

Hundreds of listeners sit on the simple wooden chairs. The front of the auditorium is separated from the stage by curtains of blue linen. They form the backdrop for a small wooden platform, draped with material of the same color, on which Rudolf Steiner stands.

When he speaks, absolute silence reigns in the auditorium. The eyes of everyone focus constantly on the dark figure in front. Rudolf Steiner is of medium height, slender, almost frail. This strikes the listener immediately as a remarkable contrast to his heavy, powerful voice and speech. The sound of his voice has a quality that one will never forget. There is something deeply moving in it, as if the speaker shares in the suffering of all mankind.

Sometimes the voice sounds warm and enveloping. Then the listening mind feels as if it were taken up and transported into other worlds, inaccessible to ordinary consciousness. At other times the voice sounds stronger. One senses a force in it that only higher powers can bestow. Words are spoken that resound over the earth like warning clarion calls. Then again, one is moved by a gentle heartiness, a tenderness, which frees something deep down in the listener, giving a feeling of awakening to an inner world, where a hidden light begins to shine.

But always it is as if every word spoken received a life of its own. These words are not abstract symbols for the communicating thoughts. They are born as living beings, and they continue to live in the hearts of the listeners.

Rudolf Steiner speaks freely, without notes, improvising as it were. In this way he delivers more than a hundred, and sometimes more than two hundred, lectures a year. Almost all are different and range over the most diverse of topics. The shorthand records, uncorrected, show an unbelievable richness in the treatment of the language. The lectures are built up according to the highest standards of artistic taste and reason. Upon rereading them one frequently discovers a regularity in them that is reminiscent of organic growth. Even as a plant grows, germinating at first, unfolding one leaf after another, blooming in splendor, and then contracting again into the fruit and the seed, the contents of each of these lectures likewise grow and flourish. We always find a strong inner consistency and a free, living development.

Rudolf Steiner accompanies the spoken word with harmonious gestures of his arms and hands. It is not arbitrary gesticulation, nor a passionate play for gestures. Rather, it is the natural extension of what lives in the soul of the language and finds expression from the chest through the arms and the hands.

An extraordinary vigor is characteristic of his entire manner of lecturing. Even when a great calm, a deep inner silence, predominates in what is being said, one still notices a delicate, continual mobility in the gestures and in the face. The posture of Rudolf Steiner, almost sixty years old, is remarkably youthful; his movements are supple and resilient. His figure is like that of a young and vigorous plant, standing freely between the heavens and the earth, its leaves supported by the air into which they expand.

- An Encounter with Rudolf Steiner (published in The Hague in 1932 )
http://www.uncletaz.com/zeylman.html

What we're left with, and struggling with, a century later, is the typed words derived from inadequate and faulty shorthand transcripts. When I'm sticking to the quaint English translation, it's because Ahriman is my co-editor, and I won't allow him to influence the text. As you know, scanning books into editable text entails a lot of editing because Ahriman misreads the letters and seems to be having a lot of fun doing so. So when I'm using the spell-check and "Copernican" is misspelled, Ahri suggests that I replace it with "Comedian." Ain't he something?

When reading Lecture 6 in the current series, some light is shed upon the enigma of the Biblical fundy, who is sticking to every word of a poor translation of the bible like glue whild applying Copernican, geocentric thought forms to it. If the fundy knew what he was doing, he would apply Ptolemaic, heliocentric thought form to the Bible as a backdrop, but he is incapable of that because he writes off astrology as evil witchcraft and attributes a Copernican worldivew to his almighty metaphysical monstous tyrant. He probably thinks that his God is keeping an eye on earthly happenings through CNN from his heavenly living room couch.

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

 

From: Michael Knaak
Date: Wed Feb 9, 2005 5:36 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 6

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From: Tarjei Straume
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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:42 PM

Rudolf Steiner was not an ordinary human being.

Many thanks Tarjei - my heart gets warm, reading your contribution... michael

 

From: Jennifer
Date: Wed Feb 9, 2005 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 6

I VERY much enjoyed reading this that you wrote below, Tarjei! Is nice to have these images of the Good Doctor, along with your insights and perception.

With Thanks and Love,
Jennifer

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Feb 9, 2005 10:43 pm
Subject: About Lecture 7

Rudolf Steiner:

The Atlantean Initiate of the Sun-Oracle is no other than Manu, who has been often mentioned, and who guided the remnant of the Atlantean nation over to Asia to establish the new post-Atlantean civilisation. He took his little handful of people with him and led them over to Asia. He trained the people through generations, and when the seven most adaptable ones had been bred and educated sufficiently, he wove into their individual etheric bodies the substance of the seven preserved etheric bodies, which had been woven by Archangels in ancient Atlantis. Those seven, who were sent down by the great Leader, to lay the foundation of the first Post-Atlantean civilisation, were the seven holy Rishis of ancient India; they bore within their etheric garment, the etheric bodies of the great Atlantean Leaders, who had themselves acquired these bodies through the Archangels. Thus the past, the present, and the future acted in harmony. Those seven men who are called the holy Rishis would have appeared to you as simple people, for with their astral body and their Ego, they had not reached the height of their etheric bodies.

I've forgotten the reference, but at the end of one of his lectures somewhere, dr. Steiner compared the mission of anthroposophy to the mission of Manu. The difference is that in our day and age, we're on our own. The relatively egoless peoples of Lemuria, Atlantis, and the dawn of the post-Atlantean epoch, following incarnated Archangeloi and Archai around like sheep follow shepherds, were totally dependend upon constant nurturing and guidance by higher spirits, just like small children are dependent on grown-ups.

The age of prophets is over. The age of revelations is over. Rudolf Steiner was neither, nor was he a leader; he was an eyewitness and investigator. He gives us the results of his investigations, his reports. If you wish to follow this up, he tells us, here are the tools. Studying Steiner's results and understaning them is one such tool, among others.

The modern phenomenon of "cults" in the derogatory sense of the word, is an abusive control system where an individual exploits the power of anachronism. Ahriman exercises his influence as an Opposing Power in human evolution in two ways: By preserving or exhuming social forms and standards from the distant past that act as poison on the present, or by introducing something destined for the distant future, prematurely. Steiner, however, placed himself at Christ-Michael's disposal. Michael, who was the Arhangel of the ancient Hebrews, assumed the office of an Archai, a Spirit of the Age, in 1879, which entailed that everything having to do with authority, nationalism, racism, blood-and-soil, revenge in the name of ironclad justice, gurus, papacies, etc. - all this was coming to an end, and the new. self-dependent, homeless, globalized human consciousness based upon the recognition of universal brotherhood was to emerge. This was supposed to be the course of human evolution after 1879 as intended by the progressive Hierarchies.

Ahriman, however, is one helluva gutsy fighter, and his fierceness took Rudolf Steiner by surprise. You see, the lecture series we're presenting here these days is part of an inquiry, a research, that was paid for with a great, great price. This research was indeed expensive. Steiner himself paid for it with his life, and with the destruction of his life work, the first Goethanum. Humanity paid for it with two world wars.

We're dealing with a field of spiritual-scientific investigation, into the holy of holies, into the very fiber of the Godhead so to speak, that came to an abrupt end with the outbreak of World War I in 1914. Steiner did indeed say that he was forced to discontinue his inquiries into the Gospel Events and related topics when the war had broken out because the spiritual world became too shaken and disturbed by this war.

Contrary to some other people who simply state their own claims categorically, even without bothering to give sources and references but see themselves as self-proclaimed clairvoyant soothsayers, I emphasize very strongly that what I'm saying here is personal opinion. Most historians will probably scoff at it, but I'm convinced that interrupting and sabotaging Rudolf Steiner's work on German-speaking soil was one of the major motives for the Opposing Powers to bring about both world wars. Yes, both of them.

When this was over, after 1945, Marie Steiner boldly declared that all of Rudolf Steiner's works, including all the flawed lecture transcripts, should be openly publicized and given to humanity. It's public property, which also means that it will be abused in various ways, by those who use this knowledge to make oppressive cults as well as those who twist the meaning of selected quotes beyond recognition and say that Steiner was to Hitler what Trotsky was to Lenin.

Another important aspect of this lecture series, "Spiritual Hierarchies," is that it leads us straight to divine anarchism. This is coming up in Lecture 10, that I quoted from some years ago at http://www.uncletaz.com/origfreed.html

In an earlier article from ten years ago, "Anthropos Anarchos," I wrote as follows:

"The innumerable gods are man's creators, but they have now withdrawn their authority so that we shall become mature and self-dependent enough to make it on our own. The gods are in other words anarchists. The free spirit in man, the anarchist soul, is the goal and purpose of creation."

(Let me repeat to avoid confusion: This is Uncle Taz speaking, not Rudolf Steiner.)

It's coming up in Lecture 10, but to understand it fully, we should get through 8 and 9 first.

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

 

From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI
Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:37 am
Subject: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] About Lecture 7

Tarjej:

I've forgotten the reference, but at the end of one of his lectures somewhere, dr. Steiner compared the mission of anthroposophy to the mission

The age of prophets is over. The age of revelations is over.

Hi Tarjej.

this is only half true., I believe or ,a t least, it has to be somehow deepened. I have many good reasons to say that, to say not of the experience of a close Steiner's female disciple (don't remember the name) who during Steiner's funeral, had the experience of him telling her "I'll be back again to go on to unveil the Mysteries", And we have had several "new truths" unveiled after Steiner's death think on Scaligero's work on the Grail or Ben Aharon's Imagination. Neverthless, and this is the point, we had also lots of halftruths and falsehoods given as "revelations" , think on Leviton,Tomberg,Powell,Prokofieff.. Obviuosly: this division between "new" (true) and "false" truths has been written here from a a strictly personal standpoint (I know that there are many who think quite the opposite) and this fact is able to introduce the basic matter of "how to manage Spiritual Science" ? and "how to develop our innerr sense for Truth " So we are led to the core of the basic exercises and of the inner development of every single anthroposophist whose winning post is the gain of an objective glance at these matters.

Ahriman, however, is one helluva gutsy fighter, and his fierceness took Rudolf Steiner by surprise. You see, the lecture series we're presenting here these days is part of an inquiry, a research, that was paid for with a great, great price. This research was indeed expensive. Steiner himself paid for it with his life, and with the destruction of his life work, the first Goethanum. Humanity paid for it with two world wars.

We're dealing with a field of spiritual-scientific investigation, into the holy of holies, into the very fiber of the Godhead so to speak, that came to an abrupt end with the outbreak of World War I in 1914. Steiner did indeed say that he was forced to discontinue his inquiries into the Gospel Events and related topics when the war had broken out because the spiritual world became too shaken and disturbed by this war.

Contrary to some other people who simply state their own claims categorically, even without bothering to give sources and references but see themselves as self-proclaimed clairvoyant soothsayers, I emphasize very strongly that what I'm saying here is personal opinion. Most historians will probably scoff at it, but I'm convinced that interrupting and sabotaging Rudolf Steiner's work on German-speaking soil was one of the major motives for the Opposing Powers to bring about both world wars. Yes, both of them.

Good point, here Tarjej.!

We have been talking in the past- also in the "Lodges at work" thread - of these Events, namely the attempt of Steiner to avoid the outbreak of War in 1914, via a Spiritual-Cult Action, failed due to someone's "betrayal", of the several attempts of so many goodwill men to stop the war in 1916 December , the double arsion's incidnts of both Goetheanum (1923) and Reichstag (ten years after, in the day of Steiner's 72 birthday, if alive), as focal points in XX Century''s tragedy, and Steiner's continouos care on the fact that with no Threefolding a new war should have started. As it happened. (And most of all: Hitler's voice and gestures were quite the "double" of Steiner's ones!)

Andrea


From: holderlin66
Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:38 am
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 5

Tarjei Straume wrote:

The one I'm contributing is from Düsseldorf 1909,...

Bradford comments;

When we toss a neat Steiner bomb, like the one Tarjei pressed his inner heart interest to with this series of lectures, and some of us look upon with pleasure, we can come to, if we are alert, and of course, most of us just aren't alert, aware, or interested in clarity of thought enough, we come to how the echo-chamber of the jumbled thought world heard what Tarjei brought. You may find that strange, and very subjective, but Steiner gives many examples and of course in Faust there are numerous examples of what happens when Spiritual Insights are dropped down the rabbit hole of brains. Yes even a no value, no account list like this, has deep rumblings in the Ahrimanic thought world. For Steiner is a strong human Initiate, a triple threat and god forbid that anyone take it seriously, Ahriman prefers, fumbling mockery to rich joy and clarity and we supply Ahriman now with all his fun.

A picture of what I am trying to say here is like dropping a crate of oranges at the top of the stairs when going to the cellar. The Oranges bounce, zig/zag and tumble, willy nilly every which way down into the cellar, or in this case, as with the Tarjei bomb, into brains and they, like chaotic thinking blunderers today, myself included, heard something drop...Anyways, look at this example for instance.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/hadar2.html

"... As President Bush declared in his Inaugural Address, "eventually, the call of freedom comes to every mind and every soul." Ideals of justice and conduct "that are the same yesterday, today, and forever. 24/7." Today the world, tomorrow the Solar System. After all, isn't that what President Bush meant when he expressed his commitment to spread freedom to "dark places?"

Didn't he have in mind Titan, Saturn's largest moon? It not only bears the largest resemblance to Planet Earth's physical features among all other celestial bodies of the Solar System. But as you've seen those amazing images transmitted by the European probe of Titan, the color of its surface is orange. Orange? Like in the "Orange Revolution" that helped topple that Red-Brown dictatorship in Ukraine. Just a coincidence?

Well, "coincidences" only happen in the Reality Based Communities of Washington's political and cultural elites, not in President Bush's Faith Based Communities. The surface of Titan is covered with ice boulders and President Bush in his address talked about "a fire" which "warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress, and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners" – including to that icy surface of Titan.

Exporting democracy to the Solar System is of course a task of one generation or two or three, not unlike the civil rights struggle in the South. Condoleezza Rice has challenged those who have expressed skepticism about exporting democracy to Arabs in the Middle East, by noting that there was a time when some Americans had wanted to deny liberty and freedom to blacks in America.

And as Paul Wolfowitz has bashed those Americans who doubt that Muslims are ready for democracy, recalling that once upon a time the same non-believers didn't accept the idea that East Asians were ready for free elections. It's not surprising that these same cynics are not ready for what is inevitable and pre-determined by Spirit of the Age: Freedom to the Greenmen – and Greenwomen – in Titan.

It's true that scientists in Nasa have rejected the notion that there is life on Titan. But as Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has suggested, it's time we need fresh, out-of-the-box thinking about the life in our Solar System.

That Huygens hasn't come across extra-terrestrial beings on Saturn's moon, doesn't mean that they don't exist there. Moreover, Huygens' mission was planned by a European agency, mostly Old Europe types, you know, French and Germans who are actually from Venus. And Nasa is too much under the influence of bureaucratic inertia and resistant to change and new ideas. All of that explains why Mr. Rumsfeld, according to an article in the New Yorker by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, has ordered his aide Douglas Feith to establish a "mini-Nasa" inside the Pentagon, a unit whose code name is Star Balls to try to make contact with primary microorganisms in Titan.

According to Mr. Hersh, a preliminary report issued by the ST unit concluded that "Titan's conditions are not hellish in comparison with other celestial bodies of the Solar system." Some Earthlings have questioned the galactical appeal of liberty. And the fainthearted would probably raise the question: Why start with Titan when there is so much hunger for freedom in so many other dark places in the Solar System?

The fact is that in the case of Titan, national interests mesh with the democratic ideals. Indeed, there are clear evidence – revealed by Feith's SB Unit – that most of Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) are buried in those systems of canals that we have seen in the images from Titan.

There are some indications that French scientists working in the European space agency have destroyed data transmitted by Huygens from Titan which confirmed the existence there of aluminum tubes that Iraq acquired in the past to develop nuclear weapons. The links between Iraq, Al Quaida and certain groups on Titan has also been uncovered by the renowned Middle East expert Laurie Mylroie, who in a soon-to-be-published book: Saddam Hussein and Darth Vader: The Plot Against America exposes the secret ties between the two galactical despots and their plans to sell thousands of lightsabers equipped with chemical weapons to Osama Bin Ladin.

Moreover, Vice President Dick Cheney has highlighted in several of his recent addresses the allegations that 9/11 perpetrator Mohammad Atta met in early 2001 with close associates Hussein and Vader in the Star Wars Bar Chisenau, the capital city of Moldova.

According to that information that apparently was supplied by the head of the Moldovan secret service to two leading FBI agents, Fox Mulder and Dana Scully, Atta had actually applied to Nasa to train as an astronaut and "fly to Titan without returning to earth." Mmm...

Moldovan officials have denied the report, which was also circulated by New York Times columnist Bill Safire, and noted that it was first mentioned in Fox Television's science fiction series, The X-Files."

Bradford continues;

Now setting the unique timing, the clockwork of how the Sun moves through the Constellations, incarnation patterns, for us, and how the whole system integrates with the whole of the cosmos, has to do with the immense insight of PRECESSION OF THE EQUINOXES. Just as an example of what Steiner is refering to as Regulating Beings, actively synching up the whole vast intimate system of beings, along a line of ever rising and perfecting development of physical, etheric, astral, I AM, Angel and transformed astral, transformed, etheric and transformed physical so that these disappear from the five senses and gain a higher platform of development...we live in a clockwork system that has literally planted seeds, which are our I AM's, growing within this vast system.

There is a difference between Clockwork Orange and the gods developmental clockwork system where we have been planted by the gods and given a vast system and place to grow.

Kyriotetes, Dynamis and Exusai or for our international audience exusai dymanis kdriotetes troner cheubin serafim, we as humans look upwards into the scaffolding of the divine family. And we are not the first but we are in the mix and we are on the way..We are humanity and we live in a system of seasons, and the Precession that links the timing of the unfolding forces of culture, unfolding intelligence and vast scaffolding of the structure of our bodies, exact copies of the Constellations, with vast historical developments. And what we mean by the clock setting is that one living human being, has a general life span of 72 years. But the Sun and the Precession, based clearly on a 360 degree, perfect circle, moves 1 degree approx every 72 years.

A long while back I presented the esoteric clear grasp of why the theory of 72 virgins has arisen and come down to us as a distorted concept...And this 72 virgin theory is based on something profoundly true, but not in the way it has been kicked around as an Islamic stupidity, even by stupid teachings of the Islamics.

Esoteric wisdom is esoteric wisdom and is solid science. The fact that humanity remains so chaotic in their thinking is like having a great impulse, a box of oranges, nice oranges, all with profound inner math in each orange, and they tumble down the cellar stairs into the thinking brains of our fellows. And the really sad part of this, is that a.) we don't see and correct these things b.) and the entire mess is taught as degree worthy educational higher development to our children. We pay for our children to become chaotic morons they in turn to teach their children to become chaotic morons.

Integration with the entire timing of the constellations, and each planet of our solar system is there for viewing in both math and how giant sweeps of culture, Egypt/Persia/India/ Greece/Rome Sentient Soul/Intellectual Soul/Consciousness Soul/, vast myths were laid down and vast themes impacted culture. Even when we look at Gilgamesh and what Loving our brother means...it merely scratches the surface of why the imposing tale is there in the first place.

This includes the giant and immense research on the Twins and Persia's dualism developed under the TWINS...these mighty Star forces always play down into the timing and development of humanity and our rise and fall of all the cultures we particpated in.

Bull/Twins/Cancer...and how that Precession appeared very clearly in human culture is looking deeply into the vast clock of beings, which we are part of and which Steiner took the time to outline for the immensely clumsy thought vision of nearly anyone who claims that they are successful business materialists and know how to make a buck. And apparently Anthros suffer in the making a buck department because of that stupid Gnostic streak in us. Why in an age of stark materialism would we be rumaging around in Gnostic dust bins? Rumaging has also MAGE and reimage...in it...But materialism and Franchise corporations rule...money is king and Dashboard Jesus is our god, and Elvis is the world of the dead...

http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/ecliptic/ecliptic.htm

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:34 am
Subject: Star Trek Revisited (Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 8)

Sometimes I wonder about Ahriman's inspiring influence on science fiction. Where did the idea of those huge hatching eggs come from in the "Alien" movies? Is "Alien" Ahriman's inspired caricature of the Spirits of Personality? Saturn was a planet of soul-warmth, but "Alien" didn't display much of that. And then this creature hatches inside a human being!

Rudolf Steiner:

The Thrones were the first to exercise their activity upon that fire formation which was ancient Saturn. The Thrones had progressed so far in their development, that they could let their own substance stream out. They let their warmth substance percolate, as it were, into that Saturn mass. Through this, those forms originated around it which we have called, somewhat grotesquely, eggs - but they really had that shape.

Take science officer Spock from Star Trek. Gene Roddenberry chose to make him a "Vulcan," from the planet with the same name that has some sort of initiation cult. In the history of this planet, we are told, the inhabitants became so severely conquered by their destructive passions that they were on the brink of wiping each other out completely. The solution to this problem, we are told by mr. Spock, was to "eliminate emotion," i.e. annihilate, kill, the life of feeling, so that each properly raised individual "Vulcan" would be a beinfg of pure intellect and perfect logic. With the elimination of feeling, there is no need for will, so we're left with pure intellect only. A very interesting twist to the concept of initiation and superman.

When science officer Spock is made into a living, sympathetic person - albeit a green-blooded such; his earthly human mother didn't pass on any of the red stuff - through Leonard Nimoy, he becomes more of a mystery man than a robot, because he is masterfully portrayed with with character, discipline, ethics etc. which is however always and without exception attributed to pure logic, flawless intellect. Nothing else. Even in the second motion picture (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan), Spock sacrifices himself in a selfless, Christ-like fashion, not because he loves, but because he obeys cold, perfect logic: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." So Spock dies a hero's death.

In the third movie (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock), our hero is brought back from the dead and restored in a fashion that is only fitting for true Mystery of Ahriman. What is of vital importance for Ahriman is to have us believe that no spiritual existence of any kind is possible without physical biology to support it. And watching Star Trek III will lead the viewer to precisely this conclusion. So in order for Spock to survive as a spirit-being, he mind-melds with McCoy, who consequently behaves accordingly. Otherwise, Spock's living spirit -- his 'Katra' -- is at risk of being lost forever since Spock's body has been abandoned on Genesis. The story ends with the mystical reunification on Vulcan between Spock's spirit and body.

The Ahrimanic Mystery of the Immortal Spirit.

Cheers,

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:41 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 6

At 22:06 09.02.2005, Mike wrote:

This stuff rocks Taz.

I love your choice of words, Mike, but you ain't seen nothin' yet. I'll tell you what really rocks: Lectures 9 and 10 of the current series. Number 9 is coming up shortly. It knocks me out and blows me away.

Tarjei

From: Griselda Andersen
Date: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Star Trek Revisited (Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 8)

--- Tarjei Straume wrote:

Sometimes I wonder about Ahriman's inspiring influence on science fiction. Where did the idea of those huge hatching eggs come from in the "Alien" movies? Is "Alien" Ahriman's inspired caricature of

Hi Uncle Taz,

I really enjoyed your Star Trek - Ahriman piece. I think I even understood it. It's stuff like this that gives me hope that one day I'll get what the heck you all here are talking about. Thanks. :)

Cheers,
Griselda

 

From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:26 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 9

Rudolf Steiner:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?G2F51547A

(Diagram.) This belt formation is a general Cosmic law. This law - which rests on an accumulation in the form of an equator or belt - you can see exemplified in the Cosmos, as far as your sight can reach, in the Milky Way, which owes its existence to that law. When you look at the Milky Way, stretching like an external belt around the heavens, with the stars shining sparsely in between, you must think of its being the result of that law which causes things to draw together into a belt as soon as a rotatory process begins. Our world system, as we have it, has really the form of a bean; it is not round, as is usually accepted, and the belt is drawn around as a distant equator.

Now that's really something for NASA and the observatories I'd say.

Now we have seen that guiding Beings are everywhere. We have seen with the earth, how the higher spiritual Beings - Angels, Archangels, Archai - descended, and at a time when humanity could not as yet help itself, they guided it until it reached a certain height. These are the spiritual beings of the Hierarchies who had reached their maturity in earlier times; but when this height is reached, when those Beings who had descended from the heights reach their goal, then other Beings have to become the leaders and guides of the said nations. When nations have to rise in a certain way still higher than their highest point, leading personalities have to give themselves up of their own free will to become the bearers of higher spiritual Beings; only then does it become possible to lead the nation a few stages beyond that which was originally planned for it. But in such cases one thing must happen; those who descend into the beings who have to lead the nation to a still higher point of civilisation, must take upon themselves all the Karma which the nation has been accumulating. This is the important law as regards taking upon oneself the Karma of nations and of races. From a definite point of time the guiding personalities have themselves to bear all the Karma of those nations and races.

Now this is really something. Imagine a higher spiritual Being, a Spirit of Personality, for instance, and Archai, ensouling George W. Bush and taking upon himself all of America's karma. Wow.

And now for the real fire, folks. Pay very close attention to this:

Thus we build up our idea of evolution from the point when it begins, up to the time when one can give out, can create. The idea of the creator rises before our spiritual sight, and we say to ourselves, each separate being develops from the creature to the creator. The Archangels developed to the human stage on ancient Sun, the Spirits of Personality on ancient Saturn, the Angels on the ancient Moon, we men, upon the earth; and so it will continue always, in all times, Beings will be developing into men.

This insight has been paid for with blood, my friends. This is heresy! People have been murdered by the church for suggesting that Christ is a created, evolving being, that the gods are created, evolving beings just like you and me - that they were *all* once "human like the rest of us." So this comes to us at a great price.

And now for the big, big, big questions:

Does all that continue endlessly? Is it really only a succession of circles, in which is repeated on the Sun that which previously took place on Saturn, only that a number of beings are added to the former ones with each circle? Is it really all, that out of originally helpless creatures beings should ever be developing into those who can sacrifice themselves? This is not at all the case! But the great question arises: Is the humanity which was experienced on Saturn by the Spirits of Personality, the humanity experienced on the Sun by the Archangels, and that experienced by the Angels on Mars, are these all the same kind of humanity as that which we are now experiencing upon earth? When we consider the nature of the Angels, for instance, do we see in them the image of what we shall be in our next Jupiter epoch? Do we see in the spirits of fire on1y the image of those beings we shall ourselves be in Venus? Can it really be said with reason that, in reaching to higher stages in the evolution of the world, and rising even into the Hierarchies, we shall develop only into Beings which exist already? Has our path of evolution been trod already by others ? These are the great questions which each of you may ask who has let these lectures act impartially upon his soul. Have we only to do with a humanity which is externally repeated in the same way, so that we are now as the Spirits of Personality were on the Saturn, the Fire Spirits or Archangels on the Sun, the Angels on the Moon? For us this might be important, but for the higher Gods it would only be a multiplication of their own creations, and they would not have achieved any special progress. But there is another question: Will men, just because they have become men upon the earth, be enabled some day, perhaps, to develop into beings capable of something of which the Angels are incapable, something of which also the Archangels and the Spirits of Personality are incapable? Has the whole of Creation learnt something through having produced men after the Archangels, and after the Angels? Has Creation made progress through that? Is it possible that man, because he was fitted to descend deeper, will, therefore, have gained the possibility, the right, to rise still higher? We ask ourselves this as a sort of consequential question. The remainder of our considerations must be dedicated to this question: What is the whole significance and importance of man in the Cosmos and his relation to the Hierarchies? What will Man become in the succeeding stages of the Hierarchies?

These are very grand questions, and of the greatest importance for our understanding of freedom and free will, and for spiritualized anarchism, anarchosophy. The final bomb is coming up in Lecture 10, so stay tuned!

Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/

 

From: Mike helsher
Date: Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:40 am
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 9

--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Tarjei Straume wrote, Quoting RS:

Now we have seen that guiding Beings are everywhere. We have seen with the earth, how the higher spiritual Beings - Angels, Archangels, Archai - descended, and at a time when humanity could not as yet help itself, they guided it until it reached a certain height. These are the spiritual beings of the Hierarchies who had reached their maturity in earlier times; but when this height is reached, when those Beings who had descended from the heights reach their goal, then other Beings have to become the leaders and guides of the said nations. When nations have to rise in a certain way still higher than their highest point, leading personalities have to give themselves up of their own free will to become the bearers of higher spiritual Beings; only then does it become possible to lead the nation a few stages beyond that which was originally planned for it. But in such cases one thing must happen; those who descend into the beings who have to lead the nation to a still higher point of civilisation, must take upon themselves all the Karma which the nation has been accumulating. This is the important law as regards taking upon oneself the Karma of nations and of races. From a definite point of time the guiding personalities have themselves to bear all the Karma of those nations and races.

And Tarjei responded:

Now this is really something. Imagine a higher spiritual Being, a Spirit of Personality, for instance, and Archai, ensouling George W. Bush and taking upon himself all of America's karma. Wow.

Mike:

WOW, is the right expression, I think, and I'm left only my imagination on this one. I have no real hope for such a thing to actually happen. MR. Bush and "We the people" are in a comfortable state of denial when it comes to absolving the national Karma that "We (the dumbed down) people" have allowed to accumulate through our "Great nations" history by allowing ignorant arrogant dualistic simpletons like Bush and his clones to run this country.

Every US citizen is a cold blooded murder, myself included. Our so called "freedom" (from pain) is bought and paid for.

But aaahhhhh FUUUCCCCKKKKKK IIIIITTTTT!!!! Lets just "kill-em all, let God sort-em out."

Mike (The FisherCat) Helsher

From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:41 am
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 10

Bradford comments;

Let us look at Ecochristology and our human comprehension of the whole. I will add a general study of ecology and our planet to the summation of this 10 lecture. But Steiner's point in building a tracer line of reason to Ancient Saturn and Fire and grasping the central mystery of Earth and the Christ event, with this stunning mystery of fire and the blood/ fire and the blood then runs into most of the stuff we students of spiritual science can't connect to. That would be the real issue of the Grail and the blood as a line of reasoning from Ancient Saturn and Gods, through Christ, to us. This is a massive Ecochristology education which hasn't arrived in our brains as Spiritual Economy but the gods have had to use Spiritual Economy to keep the vague hope of little Earth on the map.

Now in many details we can follow out how we presently view the position of humanity in our current planetary condition. We can readily understand that nothing of Steiner's vision has drifted into the thinking of our fellow human beings. And that is what the pivot of the Super Atma Fire intensification, master of the ATomic Table and resurgence of humanity to fire up our inner depth of heart so that we actually take hold of the giant mission of Ecochristology from within our moral development, is what all these stunning lectures were about.

From lecture 10 and from observation of our intellects in action, we haven't the foggiest clue what is the value of what Steiner brought. Not the foggiest clue. How does Zarathustrian/Jesus bring home the wide depth of the future Sun Forces that are destined to burst out of humanity, and allow us to be Earth's stewards? How do we get these Sun forces into our thinking and from thence into our will? How do we learn gradually press our light against the prescribed divine darkness, extinction, entrophy and death? Steiner lays it out, but we couldn't express it or present it logically to our fellows and most of us don't really try.

Now the if, is an if, at the last lecture, if humanity can integrate its thinking in relation to the Earth, as a fully potent staging ground for us to carry mineral, plants, animals and humans forward, into the higher regions of moral fire, we can do this. This if, hovers over everything that these vast lectures contribute to the core of the I AM in humanity. Because if we do not enter this Holy of Holies and find our Christic Fire, through sociology, through education, through allowing the Earth to breath in a Threefold vision...allowing the vision of humanity to arise in all its wisdom before our gaze...Then, along with these lectures, we might as well put band aids on the core density of a black hole that constantly threatens to swallow us. The Divine nature of the Borg.

For our human thinking just wallows without the strength to integrate these ideas into the soul. And ya know, if we, STudents of Spiritual Science can't explain, can't integrate, can't cope, how in heavens name do we expect anything in the world to even change or dirft toward a deeper vision of what Ecochristology is if we can't get a grip on the depth and roots, the core of the human position in creation?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/walker5.html

"Often self-proclaimed "ecologists" assume that we can save Nature simply by removing Man. The most extreme version of "Deep Green" thought advocates exterminating our species with tailored viruses, in the belief that Nature is immortal if undisturbed. The bowdlerized version insists that Mankind is OK as long as we throw away our penicillin, vaccines, and computers, living as illiterate peasants at the mercy of plague and famine. For many (usually those who have never actually been illiterate peasants, or had an untreated toothache for a few months), this is a comforting vision of a return to a simpler time. But in reality it would be a prescription for the quick death of Nature.

We can save Nature only if we do not return to it ourselves. Primitive humans displace other species by competing for their energy sources. Hunter-gatherers exterminate their prey species; peasants cut down forests and take their sunlight for their food crops. It is only modern peoples with high-productivity agriculture who have the option of living off energy from fossil or nuclear sources, thus leaving the sunlight for wild ecosystems. Modern developed nations can leave space for forest and large mammals; Indian peasants cannot.

Saving Nature: More Intelligence, Not Less

The pop-culture, anti-scientific attitude is that all ecological problems are man-made, thus the logical conclusion is that Ebola is the perfect ecological solution. This viewpoint cannot survive a look through a telescope.

The telescope shows how small the Earth's biosphere is. Outside it, all of the observable Solar System is dead. There are no Martian canals, no Venusian swamps. Of course there may be hidden homes for life; it has been suggested that the internal oceans of Jupiter's moons have more stable conditions than the surfaces of planets. We know for certain that there is a vast reservoir of subterranean bacterial life on this planet, perhaps outmassing all aboveground life. But single-celled slime does not satisfy our human definition of Nature.

Most of the surface real estate in this System is unoccupied by the sort of "Nature" that we aesthetically prefer. For water-based terrestrial life to live on its surface, a planet must stay in a very narrow range of temperatures for a long time. This is astronomically improbable. Usually, it just doesn't happen.

Most planets die. They freeze, or they fry, or they don't have enough heavy elements because there weren't any supernovae to make them, or supernovae irradiate them from light-years away and kill all the surface-dwelling species. The Earth is the lucky or Providential exception. But luck runs out, and perhaps so does the patience of Providence with species too lazy to develop nuclear rocket engines (or in our case, to bother to build them after they are developed).

One of the stars in the Big Dipper is a future supernova, and it will arrive in our Solar System's neighborhood in six million years or so. It only has to explode within ten light years to kill most life on land. If Earth's luck suddenly returned to that of the average planet, it could get hit by one of the hundreds of Apollo-Amor asteroids in a 100 million megaton explosion, and a supernova irradiation at the same time. This would make recycling our cans somewhat inefficacious.

Even if Earth's luck holds, the geological history of the Pleistocene shows that the planet is growing colder since the warm times of the dinosaurs. There was much more life on Earth in the Jurassic Period then there is now, in the Holocene. The CO2 on which plants depend is almost gone; from over one percent of the atmosphere while the dinosaurs reigned, it had fallen to .028% when we could first measure it in the 1800s. When the ice sheets cover the planet from poles to Equator, nothing will live but the volcano-vent worms and the underground bacteria. "Nature" as we know it will be dead.

Unless we save it. Over the last century humans have managed to move the CO2 content of the atmosphere up from that near-absent 0.028% to… 0.037%. This isn't enough to stave off every possible volcano or asteroid-impact Ice Age. But it is a start. No other organism can dig up carbon from miles underground and put it back into the biosphere for flowers and trees to use; humans are uniquely capable of this benevolence. Nor can any other species deflect killer asteroids, or freeze the DNA of dying species and store it for their future rebirth.

A living Nature needs humans, or at least an intelligent species of some sort. For the life forms that surrounded our ancestors to survive cosmic catastrophes, there must be intelligence capable of controlling the caprices of the unliving parts of Nature. The atmosphere must be guarded from Ice Age depletion as well as greenhouse runaway. To have a significant probability of surviving unexpected events in the really long term, Life must be taken to other worlds. Terraforming is the only way to turn the cosmos a Deep Green.

What Nature To Save?

If we choose to live in freedom, to progress technologically, we will be rich. There will be enough resources both to live fuller, more complex human lives, and to save Nature. But saving "Nature" is not so simple… for first we must decide what Nature we want to save. Do we want to let Nature change over time until it becomes as unrecognizable to us as our Nature would be to the dinosaurs? Or do we want to preserve our Ancestral Environment; to make the Earth into a museum instead of a living world?

If we wish to hold Life in stasis, with no change in species mix, then vast interventions will be required. If the Earth's climate could be kept perpetually in the Holocene, evolution will destroy old species and raise up new ones. Even if Man leaves the planet completely, new species will quickly move into the "tool-user" niche. Then they will kill off another series of the megafauna as our forebears did… If the Earth is to be a museum it will have to be a highly artificial one. Genetic mutations will have to be suppressed and the old life forms replanted. Eventually life on Earth will become, not the actual Ancestral Environment, but merely a best guess at what it was, maintained by a complex system of robotic intervention. Nature will be completely unnatural.

There is no one "original state" of nature. The species mix in North America in 1492 was missing most of the original megafauna. For example, the relatively small bison and wolf species of the 15th century were recent adaptations to the overhunting of the Amerinds, who exterminated many species. North America looked completely different in 30,000 BC; there were dire wolves, plains lions the size of horses, ground sloths, huge bison species, and plant life that had coevolved with them all.

Of course, all the previous ecosystems could claim to be the "original" state of nature. Should we try to reconstruct the dinosaurs, the trilobites, and all Nature's extinction victims? Yes, I think we should… but they won't all fit onto one planet, nor can they all live under the same climate conditions or even breathe the same kind of air. We would quickly hyperventilate and pass out on the atmosphere respired by Tyrannosaurus, and I doubt whether the one-meter-wingspan dragonflies of previous periods could take off in the thin stuff we breathe. There is no one-size-fits-all way to restore Nature.

It's A Big Universe

There are and will be many views on how to "save" Nature. Trying to force one viewpoint onto the whole planet will merely cause fruitless conflict, just as the many attempts to force one religious vision onto all Mankind have led inevitably to blood and destruction. Fortunately there is no need for such cataclysmic megalomania. Individual property ownership can allow evolution to progress without destroying old ecosystems.

Under a market system, with different people free to use their own resources as they choose, Nature will thrive and change. There will be areas where people attempt to maintain species in their current relationships. Other places, the Pleistocene may return. Mammoths, dire wolves, and saber-tooths will rise from the dead and walk again. Even reconstructions of the dinosaurs, the true masters of fang and claw, will stomp the ground once more. All this won't fit on one planet, but fortunately we are not restricted to Only One Earth. (If even the ESA can put ten tons into geosynchronous orbit, how hard can it be?) Terraformed Mars may well make a better Pleistocene habitat than the original.

So many long-dead species can live again, and this is a good thing for the Nature that killed them off. A diversity of eco-systems on different worlds will be an insurance policy for Life itself; after all, there is no cosmic guarantee against extinction for any species, no matter how advanced. Even if we fall, perhaps smart raccoons or smart dinosaurs will rise up from our museum worlds and take up the banner of Intelligence.

But the main line of Nature in the long run will be new forms, born from a marriage of design and evolution, of silicon and DNA. Evolution cannot advance to all possible goals, because like politicians it cannot think past the "next selection." Human driven design can take life where it has never gone before. This is not a thing to fear, but to celebrate. Life is not life if it cannot grow and change.

The universe is billions of light-years across. There is room for preservation of old species and the growth of new forms as well. There is plenty of room for a living Nature; most of the universe is full of energy but dead. Man needs Nature; but Nature needs Man even more."


From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:14 am
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 10

Often self-proclaimed "ecologists" assume that we can save Nature simply by removing Man. The most extreme version of "Deep Green" thought advocates exterminating our species with tailored viruses, in the belief that Nature is immortal if undisturbed.

Bradford comments;

Now suppose we weigh up why Steiner constantly draws attention to the fact that the Mystery of Golgotha is the meaning of Earth evolution or gave Earth evolution its meaning. We come to the core arguments that Steiner weighs against the darkness. Steiner's vast insights confront these Rousseauian/New Age/Hippie Goddess freak ideas as well as the vast Ahrimanic materialistic ideas and centers the argument on the Mystery of Golgotha. Why the argument is centered on the Mystery of Golgotha, Tarjei just presented a whole series of lectures by Steiner to show the reason why humanity must consider its mission within the whole framerwork of the goddesses and gods in order to understand the mission of the Earth and why Golgotha is it's central mystery.

Now every detail of the Mystery of Golgotha can be elaborated all the way to understanding our delusions about the Atomic Table and our delusions about our position in the cosmos against the mighty deed of Golgotha. If we want to pursue Elemental Kingdoms, then what methods of intelligent chemistry can we find in the Agricultural Course? And religion...And we sit stewing about religion and myths and gods and Fundamentalism, when relgion is Science and that is exactly what Steiner did. He turned our failed ideas about religion and taboos and the thing I dislike most of all, "we can never know that"....Steiner reversed our failed religion into our most potent vision of Science. Steiner turned religion and our failures of faith into constructive foundations for new Pauline Sciences and Ecochristology.

But we just refuse, refuse to overcome our dead ideas and dead habits of thought, as Tarjei indicated, frozen and there can be no, no argument that it is not frozen it is, it is frozen, and even this, this battle is exactly where Steiner outshines everyone. Giving the reason to disentangle our materialism and our laziness about religion and faith in order to see what Initiation Wisdom has penetrated all the way down to the core of matter is what Steiner taught us how to do. At the core of matter, we find that Religion is Science. And that is what our problem is. That is the core of our problem, we can't unlock the chains that relgion put on Christology unless we unlock ourselves. But we refuse to just wade into Spiritual Science and begin unlocking ourselves from being prisoners of failed faith.

 

From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: Spiritual Hierarchies - Lecture 10

There is no one "original state" of nature. The species mix in North America in 1492 was missing most of the original megafauna. For example, the relatively small bison and wolf species of the 15th century were recent adaptations to the overhunting of the Amerinds, who exterminated many species. North America looked completely different in 30,000 BC; there were dire wolves, plains lions the size of horses, ground sloths, huge bison species, and plant life that had coevolved with them all.

Of course, all the previous ecosystems could claim to be the "original" state of nature. Should we try to reconstruct the dinosaurs, the trilobites, and all Nature's extinction victims? Yes, I think we should… but they won't all fit onto one planet, nor can they all live under the same climate conditions or even breathe the same kind of air. We would quickly hyperventilate and pass out on the atmosphere respired by Tyrannosaurus, and I doubt whether the one-meter-wingspan dragonflies of previous periods could take off in the thin stuff we breathe. There is no one-size-fits-all way to restore Nature.

Bradford comments;

Looking over how lacking in insight some of the best thinking is, we notice fragments and scattered pieces of a mighty puzzle that Steiner was bringing into cohesion. That indeed humanity are to be co-workers with Christ and the gods and Stewards of the Earth and work with the four kingdoms of mineral, plant, animal and our own human development is an ascending free deed that humanity faces. But with what tools exactly?

Firstly looking at specie size and development we must grasp the nature of the issue that was raised on how fortunate it has been that for a long period of time the temperature and climate has been stable, but what Beings have allowed and given us space for the laying of the foundation of the I AM and the unfolding development of human civilizations?

Secondly the variable of closeness or distance of the Moon is what generates the size forms that we discover in fossil records and as Steiner has profoundly indicated, the spin off of nature forms that were to be the model of the human, got off in the spin cycle to drop into nature so that modified HUMAN forms could arise in a micro fitted energy gem called Human. Heck Gilgamesh and Enkidu were some ten feet tall, non blood related, brothers, who developed a profound brotherly love.

Poppelbaum in his "New Zoology" had revealed the stunning blueprints that were in development when the ancient dinosaurs were roaming the Earth. Out of the digestive cow of the Brontosaurus and the tiger or lion aspect of the Tyrannosaurus and the immense head and winged head formation of the Teridactyl bird form...the giant cohesive blueprint of humanity was hovering and slowly coming into the micro fit, that we can see now as our present calibrated nature. That already accounts for the model of the will of our metabolism and cow like nature, and the Tyro Rex supplied, raising to almost vertical spine supplied the model of the lion like aspect of our rhythmic system; and the bird like aspect of our head forces the teridactl.

Forms were calibrated in size and development because of the zoom lens of the closeness and adjustment of the moon after it left the Earth and exactly what spiritual ancestors took position from the Moon and those advanced Sun Beings that took position from the Sun and exactly how the rest of the solar system integrated itself and was brought into motion, timing and pattern to sustain the micro desgin of Man gave us not only our Planetary positions but also our inner modified organs. From Lemuria to now the band of Time was offered for humanity to carry the I AM into a pristine microcosmic form or stasis.

Thirdly Steiner wanted to draw our attention now away from mere empty space to the whole ordered and Spiritual History of where humans must go from here on out. Is it to populate what materialism considers dead planetary bodies or to rebuild our relation to nature through the unfolding Sun Forces of the I AM? All through the counterpoint presentation of ecology we see behind the scenes the events and beings that were and are our own ancestors, Spiritual Beings, of which we, we are in a vast cosmic family.

Fourthly, indeed many things out of science and raising the plants to an animal by suppling companion insect DNA and genes to companion plants and lifting up nature in a moral and clear manner, is on the table for humanity. However the cohesive linking of utterly fresh ideas to the failed model offered and the new model of Ecochristology must be carefully explained, thought through and given the foundations that many, many researchers out of Spiritual Science have offered.

By placing before us the full set of the background lectures where the goal of humanity and the ascending forces of the Sun intersected on Golgotha, we see also a new path through nature. Cohesively grasping and disentangling the failed thought patterns of even the best thinkers requires us to wage extensive forays into setting right what is generally failed thinking.

For there is Diana and the nurturing moon Goddess Diana and here are we connected intimately with the karma of Ephesus and Alexander and Aristotle resting on the new foundation of Pauline Sciences. All that is needed is that we spot check and correct failed theories still hung over by the Big Bang and failed ability to grasp the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones, out of the mighty constellations that ring us, and failure to understand the miracle of the youngest member of the cosmos, the blood and I AM of humanity.

By correcting nature and ecological vision and planting the working model of the unfolding of human beings, able to lift nature up again, we encounter the very inner knowledge of our own patchwork thinking. Steiner supplied the stunning vision of the behind the scenes while the best thinkers of today are stuck with the vision of being trapped on the far side of materialism, without a bridge to convert thoughts, nature insights into wisdom, and food for all human minds and hearts we remain fully tangled up in the 19th century thinking patterns.

The Spiritual Hierarchies

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