Your Road Maps

From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:49 pm
Subject: Your Road Maps

There they are. I just sent them to you.


From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: Your Road Maps

--- In [email protected], golden3000997 wrote:

There they are. I just sent them to you.

Bradford sighs;

In Christo Morimur; Shattering, simply shattering. At every word I heard their courage and the echo ringing in the depths of America today. Golden..Thank-you,


Novalis, Goethe and When did they die, what date, I didn't get it exactly.. Feb 18 or 20 something in that area? I see what a stunning refelection of Courage you were nursing.. (sigh) Shattering; Shattering how we walk with our eyes wide shut. Shattering.


From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:25 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Your Road Maps

February 22, 1943
Sophie was not yet 22.

It cost me a lot to send these to you because I couldn't help re-reading them and crying all night. Yes, Bradford, shattering is EXACTLY the word that applies.

Kevin Dann e-mailed me off list and we were talking about the White Rose in terms of teaching High School students. I want to share this excerpt of what I wrote to him in case anyone else may be in a position to want to share this information with others:

Did you see the movie, The White Rose? What was your reaction? I belong to the White Rose Group on Yahoo. Not a lot going on with it right at the moment, but something may spark. I think it's important to remember that they weren't Anthroposophists - they were mostly Catholics and considered themselves so. That is why I think it is important not to be so egotistical as to think that "we" are the only ones who carry an impulse! I link it in my mind and heart to the impulse of Joan of Arc. She had an awful fear all of her young life of dying by fire. I think Sophie also had such fears and premonitions of execution. Weren't they about the same age? How old was Jeanne when she died? 19? 20 at the most? If I were going to introduce The White Rose to Seniors, I would probably start with Jeanne first as a lead-in with Sophie as her modern-day equivalent. But as I said, I think the parents have to be involved or else you will probably come under attack if the children (and they are still children) have a hard time with it.

I would send the parents information on the White Rose and what I would like to present to the children and how and why and ask them to read some material and come (adults only) to see the movie first. Only after a lot of discussion and a real consensus that it would be appropriate for their particular children would I present it to the class. I would even ask the parents who could to come and be there when we we show the movie to the children. It IS shattering and extreme care must be taken. Some parents might justifiably feel that their children were too sensitive to take it. One could probably keep it in the realm of storytelling and research and let their souls create only an inner picture. Even so, as you have experienced from your reading, the effect is there. I think it would be better in some ways to share it in a loving group situation and to be prepared as parents and teachers to offer emotional support and stories and examples of people who survived in similar cases and why, even though those people died physically, they did not die and they did triumph and their impulse goes on.

Sophie Scholl b. May 9, 1921 d. February 23, 1943 21 years old
Jeanne d'Arc b. January 6, 1412 d. May 30th, 1431 19 years old
[On the evening of February 23, 1429, she began her mission for God]


A Short Biography of Saint Joan of Arc

Saint Joan was born on January 6, 1412, in the village of Domremy to Jacques and Isabelle d'Arc. Joan was the youngest of their five children. While growing up among the fields and pastures of her village, she was called Jeannette but when she entered into her mission, her name was changed to Jeanne, la Pucelle, or Joan, the Maid.
Joan was 'like all the others' in her village until her thirteenth year. "When I was about thirteen, I received revelation from Our Lord by a voice which told me to be good and attend church often and that God would help me." She stated that her 'Voices' were Saint Michael the Archangel, Saint Catherine and Saint Margaret. At first her 'Voices' came to her two or three times a week but as the time for her mission drew near (five years later), they visited her daily telling her to 'Go into France' to raise the siege of Orleans, conduct the Dauphin Charles to Reims for his crowning and to drive the English from the land.

Joan went to the neighboring town of Vaucouleurs, which means Valley of many colors. There she spoke to the loyal French governor by the name of Sir Robert de Baudricourt. After many rejections he finally agreed to send her to the Dauphin who at the time was living at the castle of Chinon.

On the evening of February 23, 1429, she began her mission for God. In the company of six men, she rode through the Gate of France on her way to Chinon. Joan reached this town on March 6th, but was not received by the Dauphin, Charles, until the evening of March 9th.

After being accepted and approved by a Church council headed by the Archbishop of Reims, Joan was allowed to lead the Dauphin's army. This part of her career was meteoric. She entered Orleans on the evening of April 29th and by May 8th the city had been freed. The Loire campaign started on June 9th and by June 19th the English were driven out of the Loire valley. The march to Reims started on June 29th and by July 17th Charles was crowned King of France in the cathedral of Reims.

From this time on, for reasons know only to King Charles, the king no longer valued Joan's advice and guidance. She had always told him that God had given her 'a year and a little longer' to accomplish His will but the king seemed to take no notice of it. For almost a year he wasted what time remained to Joan, until in frustration, she left the court. Her last campaign lasted from the middle of March until her capture at the town of Compiegne on May 23rd, 1430. Her 'year and a little longer' was over.

Abandoned by her king and friends, she started her year of captivity. As a prisoner of the Burgundians she was treated fairly but that all changed when on November 21st, 1430, she was handed over the English. How she survived their harsh treatment of her is a miracle in itself.

The English not only wanted to kill Joan but they also wanted to discredit King Charles as a false king by having Joan condemned by the Church as a witch and a heretic. To obtain this goal the English used those Church authorities whom they knew to be favorable to them and the staunchest of these was Bishop Cauchon.

Joan's trial of condemnation lasted from February 21st until May 23rd. She was finally burnt at the stake in Rouen's market square on May 30th, 1431.


From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:39 am
Subject: Re: Your Road Maps

--- In [email protected], golden3000997 wrote:

There they are. I just sent them to you.

Here are our roadmaps


Click to subscribe to anthroposophy_tomorrow

January/February 2004

The Uncle Taz "Anthroposophy Tomorrow" Files

Anthroposophy & Anarchism

Anthroposophy & Scientology

Anthroposophical Morsels

Anthroposophy, Critics, and Controversy

Search this site powered by FreeFind