Eating Their Words


From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:57 pm
Subject: Eating Their Words

I think that Waldorf (& Anthroposophy) critics should sit down and have a good hard look at who they should really be spending their time working against.

How about putting people's words in the context of their intentions and their actions?

Christine - end of editorializing

Subj: [earthchanges] Eating Their Words
Date: 3/13/2004 1:14:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: atlantisup
To: [email protected]

Eating Their Words

William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times best-selling author of two books, War On Iraq (Context Books) and The Greatest Sedition is Silence (Pluto Press). His book Our Flag, Too: The Paradox of Patriotism will be available in August from Context Books.

"I'm a firm believer in feeding people their own words back to them, when it's appropriate." -Trent Lott

As we hurtle headlong into the silly season, a high colonic for the mind is in order. There is going to be a lot of back-and-forth between the candidates regarding who said what and when. Feast, in that context, upon this small collection:

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

- George W. Bush, discussing Kosovo, Houston Chronicle, 04-09-99

"I said on my program, if, if the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again."

- Bill O'Reilly, on ABC's Good Morning America, 03-18-03

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campusliving fossilsso we will never forget what these people stood for."

- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual gay sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. All of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family and that's sort of where we are in today's world, unfortunately. It all comes from, I would argue, the right to privacy that doesn't exist, in my opinion, in the United States Constitution."

- Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), Associated Press, 04-22-03

"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you. This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor."

- Pat Robertson, speaking of organizers putting rainbow flags up around Orlando to support sexual diversity, The Washington Post, 06-10-98. For the record, Orlando remains undestroyed by meteors.

"Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I'm proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans."

- Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska), Alaska Public Radio, 08-19-96

"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks."

- Rush (currently under investigation for drug use) Limbaugh, on the death of Jerry Garcia, 08-20-95.

"I don't understand how poor people think."

- George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, The New York Times, 08-26-03

"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."

- Rep. James Hansen (R-Utah), talking about President Clinton, as reported by journalist Steve Miner of KSUB radio who overheard his conversation, 11-01-98

"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."

- Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), Mother Jones, 08-95

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to The New York Times building."

- Ann Coulter, The New York Observer, 08-26-02

"Homosexuals want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."

- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-18-95

"And there is, I am certain, among the Iraqi people a respect for the care and the precision that went into the bombing campaign."

- Donald Rumsfeld,, 04-09-03

"Emotional appeals about working families trying to get by on $4.25 an hour are hard to resist. Fortunately, such families do not exist."

- Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas), House Majority Whip, during a debate on increasing the minimum wage, Congressional Record, H3706, 04-23-96

"Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an 'enemy of the people.' The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, 'clan liability.' In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished 'to the ninth degree': that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed."

- John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-08-92

"Probably nothing."

- Jeb Bush, during his losing 1994 bid for Florida Governor, when asked what he would do for black people, quoted by Salon on 10-05-02

"The homosexual blitzkrieg has been better planned and executed than Hitler's."

- Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-Calif.), The New Republic, 08-01-94

"When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together."

- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-21-93

"Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. Why is he there? And I tell you this morning that he's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

- Lt. General William G. Boykin, Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, The New York Times, 10-17-03

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02

"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

- Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, NPR Morning Edition, 05-25-01

"I don't agree that you need an enormous number of American troops. Saddam's army is down to one-third than it was before, and I think it would be a cakewalk."

- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board, to Wolf Blitzer on CNN, 12-06-01

"The fact of the matter is that this (increased American casualties) is a sign of the success of our operation, not its failure."

- Ralph Reed, GOP strategist, on MSNBC's program 'Hardball,' 10-28-03

"There are some who feel that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring 'em on. We have the force necessary to deal with the situation."

- George W. Bush, The Chicago Tribune, 07-03-03

"The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on, which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason."

- Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by Tim Russert on 'Meet The Press, NBC, 06-01-03

"Quit looking at the symbols. Get out and get a job. Quit shooting each other. Quit having illegitimate babies."

- State Rep. John Graham Altman (R-SC), addressing African-American concerns about the 'symbol' of the Confederate Flag, The New York Times, 01-24-97

"Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God's Law and the disenfranchisement of White men."

- State Rep. Don Davis (R-NC), e-mailed to every member of the North Carolina House and Senate, reported by The Fayetteville Observer, 08-22-01

"NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a lesbian."

- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 12-03-97

"My biggest fear is going to be going to the funeral of some young Iowa man or woman who dies in this conflict and having their mother or father come up to me and ask whether or not their son or daughter died for America, or died to save Bill Clinton's presidency. I don't know what I would say to those grieving parents. For that reason I believe the President must resign immediately."

- Rep. Jim Nussle (R-IA), Congressional Record, H11963, 12-18-98

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

- Barbara Bush, said on 'Good Morning America' the day before the Iraq war started, The New York Times, 01-13-03

"I'm the commandersee, I don't need to explain I don't need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."

- George W. Bush, Washington Post, 11-19-02

These quotes, and about a thousand others equally as preposterous, can be found in a new book by Bruce Miller and Diana Maio titled Take Them At Their Words. The next time our valiant conservative leadership bemoans the "corruption and fall of the nation," remember that, by and large, these bemoaners are the clowns who have been running the circus for the last several years.

A few are also up for re-election in 2004. Bear that in mind.


From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Eating Their Words

I think Pat Robertson is an anticrist. This is just disgusting that a man under the cloth abuses people in the manner his quotes show. That this man has been at the forefront of the Christian journey is an abomination.



From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:13 pm
Subject: Fwd: Eating Their Words

In a message dated 3/13/2004 11:11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, momof2gals writes:

From: Lisa D. Ercolano
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: Eating Their Words
To: [email protected]


I think Waldorf promoters should sit down and have a good, hard and HONEST look at what they spend their time promoting.

As to your second sentence, well Christine, are you saying that even if some children and families have been hurt by Waldorf that it doesn't count somehow, because the people who hurt them (the teachers and those associated with the schools who don't tell the truth) "didn't mean to?"


Well-meaning people who believe in their own causes have, throughout history, inflicted misery and destruction on people, and many have justified it because their intentions were "good."

You know, when you came on this list, you gave me hope. You made me believe that there were some people involved in Waldorf schools who were willing to be honest, and to admit that great improvements could be made in the direction of making sure that parents enrolling their children understood that Waldorf offers an Anthroposophical education and what that means. Your dialogue with Walden about compiling a FAQs list was heartening.

Now you seem more concerned about facing down people who consider Waldorf cult like than you are about the real problem, which is that Waldorf continues to promote itself as non religious when it is.



From: Mike Helsher
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Eating Their Words

I think Pat Robertson is an anticrist. This is just disgusting that a man under the cloth abuses people in the manner his quotes show. That this man has been at the forefront of the Christian journey is an abomination.


Hi Dottie,

I still cringe when I think of the fact that I sent that guy money once when I was young and desperate.

I saw a really great Documentary called "Spin" on FSTV where there is some incredible behind the scenes action on him, showing all the stuff that you will never see on his show. Especially bizarre and rememberable was his outright animosity toward "Homo's" when the camera wasn't on (or so he thought). And then when it comes on he smiles and says things about "love thy neighbor" and cranks up the hype for the daily $100,000 challenge...

I'm disgusted too.

Reminds me of that Frank Zappa song again:

"He's got twenty million dollars in his heavenly bank account...
All from those chumps who was born again..."

Truth and Love



From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Eating Their Words


I still cringe when I think of the fact that I sent that guy money once when I was young and desperate.

Hey Mike, maybe when you were younger, and he as well, it wasn't this way. People get seduced the higher they aim and it is a tough fight to maintane any kind of balance. The Woman's Club of Hollywood hosted a church group with a Russian only speaking Pastor. I saw immediately that all forces of seduction were headed his way. And I told him to hold tight not to give in. He looked at me a little strange but he understood. And I think that is what happens to alot of our politicians as well.

I was thinking on your post about the 'calling' the other day and today as I had a similar experience. I decided to go to the Rudolf Steiner Book Store because somehow I have missplaced my Heavenly Sophia book before I was done reading it and I wanted to send it to Danny and one to Christine. Well, I meet another wonderful woman working at the bookstore and her name is Eloise. What happened was that they had none of the books I was looking for not even the Heavenly Sophia. But the magic was that we befriended one another while looking high and low for these books. I finally made a purchase, The Three Marys by Bock and I decide to walk over to the book case. Lo and behold there is the Heavenly Sophia book staring me right in the face. We both laughed and said it was sad we hadn't found the book on Novalis. I go to pay now the final payment after a bit more conversation, this time on 'that Dan guy':) and I decide, as she is ringing me up, to walk back to the same bookcase where I had found the Heavenly Sophia, not looking for anything just a little walk about, and guess what? There was the book on Novalis! I laughed so hard because it was right on time. If I had found the books right away we would not have had this wonderful conversation that took place. And I was like 'this is how it works with me' I get it.

Ms. Eloise shared an interesting tidbit about Dr. Steiner being on the front page of the New York Times in 1921 regarding his Threefold Social Order concept. She has a copy of the front page and is going to send me one. She also mentioned the name of Mr. Steve Usher who is able to forward this online and knows quite a bit from that time period. This conversation began as I was sharing with her about Anthroposophy Tomorrow and Mr. Staudenmaier. She was astonished that anyone would even say such a thing.

Anyhow just a share,


Novalis makes my heart melt. This is how I feel when I am in bliss. His works call to mind Kalil Gibran and the Songs of Wisdom. I know this feeling that almost feels like the heart is in the throat chakra. Almost as if the throat can make no sound but a sob of love. And the whole body is involved, every sense one can think of is involved in this blissful pain.

p.s. Dr. Steiner mentions Rembrandt in great light that another like he will not be born until we have grown way more than we are at the present time. And I love that I can feel the love of others when they speak on Dr. Steiner as in the book I just purchased. I feel like I am seeing him my very self.


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