Lies and Liars - forwarded by Christine


From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Mar 14, 2004 2:43 pm
Subject: Lies and Liars - forwarded by Christine

Subj: [Trippy-Dippy-Hippies] LYING IS SCARY, NEXT STOP, (democrats who voted FOR WAR !)
Date: 3/14/2004 11:47:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
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From: "magginkat"
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:24:14 -0600
Subject: [GranniesAgainstGeorge] LYING IS SCARY

by Luis Zamora Florida USA March 14, 2004
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Since Senator Kerry brought up the subject of lying, perhaps we should investigate just how much harm can be imposed on a nation by just putting lies out on the air waves and in print. Lies from a nation's leadership can transform the values of the country; it can send armies of hundred of thousands to distant lands. It can deplete the nation's wealth.

Unlike false statements from the insignicant, leaders' lies penetrate into the living rooms of every household. These premeditated fabrications spread alarm for the country's causes and admonish us to be fearful of others who may dress, act, and speak differently than the "we" -- who may attend a different religious sanctuary than "we." Fearmongering is a tool of politicians not confident; warmongering is used for those lacking self-esteem.

Lies result in the hiring of more police (for our protection, of course) the creation of a huge new bureaucratic agency, Homeland Security, and the expenditure of billions, if not trillions, from taxpayers' pockets. Thus, citizens have traded freedom for security. The more we emphasize security the safer we feel, right? That is, until we find ourselves trapped inside a steel cage and soon learn the government alone has the cage's key.

For our safety and security we trade off freedom of speech, due process, and privacy. We turn our heads the other way when the government apprehends citizens off the street who may have peacefully dissented policy. We permit our government to label them enemy combatants and be "detained" in jail forever -- without legal counsel and even contact with immediate family members. Somehow, we've overlooked these violations, haven't we? All in the name of "security"? Where has the America we love gone?

We allow our leaders to unilaterally change the rules of warfare to suit those in power to fulfill their pre-planned agenda from years prior to 9/11. We let our government establish concentration camps like Guantanamo where juveniles (some as young as 13) are imprisoned for over two years. Sure, the guilty are caged with the innocent, but shouldn't this ring some alarm bells? Where is due process? The world wants the guilty prosecuted and the innocent set free, but that's not the way Bush operates.

And what of the thousands of Iraqis the U.S. have jailed or detained in concentration camps that Saddam brutally used? Have alarms gone off that Saddam's torture chambers are now being used by Americans, supposedly there to "liberate"? The silence is deafening on the subject of Iraqi jails and what is taking place outside of public view.

So, when Senator John Kerry said off-the-cuff (not realizing the mic. was on), "This administration is the most corrupt and the most lying. It's scary," there is much truth to what he said. No apology necessary!

All Americans, please remember this before you vote in November 2004. We heard it from the horses' mouths. Here are the "horses'" statements:

Colin Powell at the U.N.: "We know that Saddam has WMDs ----- We know."

Dick Cheney: "Saddam has WMDs-------- . We know."

George W. Bush: "Saddam has WMD --- We know. We have no doubt."

Donald Rumsfeld: "We know."

Condoleezza Rice: "We know."

And with those words and thousands more ("We know") we were misled lied to deceived and without question and without thoughtful scrutiny from the media, off we went to fight an illegal war, a war that was pre-planned in 1997, a war based on the wrong reasons, and a war fought in the wrong country.

This administration has gotten us so deep in the hole with lies, even if the liars repented, turned from their wicked ways, and admitted the lies -- confessing openly to we Americans -- they would still lose the upcoming election. They have passed the point of no return. So, the only logical (but not ethical) option they have is to keep on lying.

It's so sad that the top world leaders are caught up in this mess. Americans should look where we have been the last three years and see that it's a true indicator of where we could be heading in the future. And vote accordingly.

Luis Zamora (Florida)

Luis Zamora is a combat veteran of Korea and Vietnam, now retired in Florida. He writes occasionally for American Voice ( AmeriVoice ) and other Internet posting sites.

How many lies does it take to equal the truth?

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly. . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.

Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need .. . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.

Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.

Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.

Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003


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